Fiqh of hadra: How far back can one find a mention of this and in what context ?

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  1. muslim_student

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  2. muslim_student

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    As-salam 'alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

    For some `ulema it is not haram, if certain conditions are respected and if there is nothing blameworthy from the point of view of sharia.

    There is ikhtilaf wa Allahu A'lam.
     
  3. Unbeknown

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    in fatwa ridawiyyah shareef vol#24, question#12, Alahazrat ('alayhirraHmah) writes:


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    the first paragraph, in his unique style, is pretty compact but very comprehensive.

    After this he quotes Imam Naablusi ('alayhirraHmah) to the effect that though people should be stopped from these things and though sincerity in our times is rare and deceit rampant - yet - until something is known definitely or is apparent without a possibility of ta'weel, a sinful intention cannot be attributed to any specific individual (Muslim).


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    and it's even more important to have husn-zann about the sufiya and fuqara.

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    Alahazrat ('alayhiraHamah) re-iterates this hair-thin distinction in the risalah "Masa'il e Samaa" - which has already been posted in another thread.

    If some brother has the time he may please translate the above passages.

    wa Allahu a'alam.
     
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  5. muslim_student

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    As-salam 'alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh


    In this video Shaykh Muhammad Said Ramadhan al Buti (Rahimahullah) talk about quoting forged hadith to justify the hadhra and that there is no issue to gather for dhikr with good manners, good uttering of the words even with nasheed but there is some issue when in turn into swinging and badly uttering the name of Allah and bad manners

    The one who experience spiritual state is not to blame.









    References for the fiqh of Hadhra :



    The Ruling and Guidelines of Listening to Audition of Poetry and Dancing


    --> Read : The Ruling and Guidelines of Listening to Audition of Poetry and Dancing

    Shaykh Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn `Ajībah al-Hasanī





    To people, samā` is an area of dispute (khawd)
    But for this group it is a garden (rawd)
    The `Irāqīs said it is unlawful

    While the people of Hijāz said that it was permissible



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    The 'Dancing' of the Sufis


    -->READ : The 'Dancing' of the Sūfīs


    Shaykh Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Ajībah al-Hasanī




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    Movement during Dhikr


    -->READ : Movement During Dhikr


    al-Sayyid Shaykh `Abdal Qādir `Īsā al-Halabī




    Wa Allahu A'lam
     
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    Jazakallah.
     
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