Zaheer Mahmood Deobandi Insults RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wasallam

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  1. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    If there was nothing wrong with what he said why say:

    Why make a video retraction if there was nothing wrong in the first place?

    Why use Sayyid Irfan Shah Sahib's statement to hide behind? Do two wrong statements make a right?
     
  2. Muslim786

    Muslim786 Banned

    Comments from the youtube page:

     
  3. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    it depends on the statement/phrase/analogy used.
     
  4. MubeenIqbal

    MubeenIqbal New Member

    O People who Believe! Do not raise your voices higher than the voice of the Prophet, nor speak to him loudly the way you shout to one another, lest your deeds go to waste whilst you are unaware. [49:2]
     
  5. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Zaheer Mahmood states at 8 min and 20 sec:

    So anyone who does not intend has not committed kufr??

    He did mention the word tawba.
     
  6. Muslim786

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  7. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

  8. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    This brother Ibn ulQayyim writes:

     
  9. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    It has not been done with any Sunni Alim. You have no knowledge of whats going on the ground and seem to have an old grudge regarding SacredKnowledge.

    Ramadan is approaching, give up your old grudge.

    Allama Fayd Ahmad Owaisi gave the fatwa, and Shaykh Ya'qoubi approved of the fatwa. Like i said you don't know the facts.

    If he approves of the statements of the Deobandi elders. Now let me ask you a simple question. Do you not consider the statements of the four Deobandi elders as kufr??
     
  10. khadimu786

    khadimu786 Active Member

    seems to be a common phenomenon: exposing and firing at people without talking to them. it was done with Sacred Knowledge, and now another sunni 'alim. see sunni talk and ibn al-qayyim's post

    Nobody made takfir of him. Sayyid Muhammad al-Yaqubi alluded to it, but didn't say it outright. big difference.

    My point still stands. Many of the Sunni uleme (elders) in the uk would view Zahir as a heretic, kafir by default due to him being deobandi (let alone the comments which were up on his site previously).
     
  11. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    No one of knowledge has disagreed. It is more to do with misinformation being relayed and people being hasty.

    And if you admit that he has made a 'retraction' then it is obvious that there was a misunderstanding in the first place.
    Arab or non-Arab makes little difference on issues like this.

    Qadi Iyad and many others are authorities and Arab.

    What did those Arab Ulama you refer to say about Dr Ahmad Hassoun? Some still have him on their websites as a respectable scholar.

    Like i said i don't know the details and we should not be surmising as to what was discussed and how. I said:

    Zaheer Mahmoud is a Deobandi scholar. Surely he knows the fiqh rulings as laid out by Anwar Shah Kashmiri and Rashid Gangohi?

    Don't make assumptions.
     
  12. khadimu786

    khadimu786 Active Member

    is there absolute agreement amongst all reliable sunni scholars that what Zahir Mahmood said was kufr? read this:

    http://sunnitalk.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=1278&pid=7021#pid7021


    clearly someone of knowledge disagrees that it is kufr.

    i would like to see the opinions of the Arab ulema on it.

    furthermore, he has made a retraction.

    you state that you don't know if the group of people told him what he said was kufr, yet you also state he is refusing to acknowledge what he said was kufr! how could he if it wasn't explained to him?

    also, don't you believe he is a kafir anyway, considering he is a deobandi!
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2011
  13. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    This was mentioned at Fosbrooke Rd in Small Heath as a necessary for anyone wishing to understand the subject:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/47023722/Tamheed-Ul-Iman-Arabic

    Especially the part about 'I'laniya tawba' and the passages of fiqh books which can be misconstrued. It was mentioned as important reading for anyone wanting to understand the topic.
     
  14. kattarsunni

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  15. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    He has been made aware.

    A group of people went to see him and tell him. I don't know if they told him he has done kufr, but they made him aware that he has used disrespect for the best of creation.

    Zaheer is refusing to acknowledge that he has done kufr.
     
  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    still no retraction? i would have thought any muslim, when made aware that he has insulted rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alaihi wa sallam, would retract and repent immediately.

    let's assume he doesn't know: the deobandis who know zaheer and visit our forum should make him aware of his kufr straight away lest he dies and is damned forever.
     
  17. kattarsunni

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  18. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    JazakAllah Mawlana. But i ask for the general benefit. Can someone please sum up the answers to the above questions for the benefit of all users and for LAYMEN like myself, jazakumAllahu khayyran.
     
  19. Read Bahaare Shariat by Sadr al Shariah Shaykh Mufti Amjad Ali alaihi rahmah
    chapter of irtidaad in the 9th part Volume 1 Murtad ka Bayaan it mentions the method of entering Islam again and tawbah.
     
  20. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    alhamdulillah it is saved

    A question for the brothers:

    How should Zaheer do tawba? What is the method?

    Should he mention that he does tawba from a particular kufr statement? Or is it sufficient for him to admit that he simply made a mistake and that is it?

    When he does tawba from this statement should he recite the kalima shahada along with the admittance or is it sufficient for him to just say he has made a mistake?

    Should the tawba be made in public because the kufr was done in public? Or is it sufficient that he admit his mistake? Is it sufficient for him to make tawba in private?

    What are the conditions of his tawba?

    I would appreciate it if our elder Abu Hasan could clarify all of the above.
     

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