yasir qadhi "refutes" Barelwis

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  1. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    for very obvious reason, you are going overboard.
     
  2. jasimisbest2

    jasimisbest2 Active Member

    why are my posts getting deleteD?
     
  3. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    which is certainly not true, what you are referring to from Quran is about intractable kuffars, even it is not for those nonbelievers who have tender hearts, they understand and submit, let alone those adamant deviants who are still counted among us. why do we forget that they are Muslims and we don't know their fate?

    Also, we should not mimic them in their methodology of applying verses of Quran revealed for pigheaded nonbelievers and mushrikeens on our fellow Muslims even if they are deviants. our shariáh has different rulings for them.

    and, it is not wasting time but it is our duty to safeguard our own iman, as well as of those other fellow Muslims. We may not save those mulish wahabis or other deviants but we can save those they prey on. who knew that Swiss antagonist of minarets Daniel Streich will one day embrace Islam, so why deviants among us cannot?
     
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  4. muslim 1st Sunni 2nd

    muslim 1st Sunni 2nd Active Member

    I beg to differ ... no one is ever saying that we should use sweet words or sit side-by-side with these people.

    What I am saying is that cursing and swearing will only alienate these people but if you refute in an academic respectable manner maybe there is a better chance they will listen to what you have to say as well as safeguard the beliefs of ordinary people who may be inclined to agree with his comments due to lack of knowledge.

    If you click on the video, you'll notice that previously there were negative rude comments made by those who do advocate 'Ya Gaus' where the original video poster never replied. You'll also notice that the video poster actually replied recently to a user comment who explained in a sensible manner why he proclaims 'Ya Gaus'.

    My example above is exactly where I'm coming from, at the end of the day you have hatred for the belief of the man and not the man himself. If you really want to make him see sense then you need to adopt a more academic approach similar to Ala Hazrat Rehmatullah Alaih.

    People can make up their own minds upon which method is more beneficial and effective.
     
  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    i think aH has hit the nail on the head. our scholars in the past used harsh language to show the enormity of an innovators belief. if our scholars always use sweet words for such disgusting people, what message does this give to our 'awam? only that their innovation is not a serious matter.

    we should neither sit with a man of bid'ah nor should we offer his janaza nor should we salute him.
     
  6. muslim 1st Sunni 2nd

    muslim 1st Sunni 2nd Active Member

    I think some people are mistaking me for someone else ...

    anyway I don't go out of my way to curse Yazid (or anyone else that I do not agree with) I don't regard him as a good person but like suggested above the response of Imam Hussain Radiallahu Anhu is enough for me.
     
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    as far as my post was concerned, it was a statement of fact - not cursing. he falsely attributes sunnis of worshipping abdu'l Qadir al-jaylani. and keeps repeating such things. thus, a muftari and kazzab.

    i find it exceedingly hypocritical when people have utmost adab and exhortations to be respectful towards contemporaries, but the same does not apply to those who attack and slander elder scholars. saying it plainly is scorned, but telling it in flowery language is fine adab.

    thus, criticizing nuh keller for siding with an enormous lie is lacking adab; but it is fine for him to slander alahazrat or even accuse that there is a hypothetical possibility for the Creator to lie.

    calling yasir as a muftari kazzab is cursing, whereas his accusing ulama and righteous people of committing shirk based on his own fancy that sunnis worship ghawth al-a'azam should be considered as politeness. (because, whether he likes it or not - tawassul has been practiced by hundreds of thousands of ulama and muslims - hadith and tafsir scholars among them)

    some people take it to the extreme: if they or their pirs accuse ulama like alahazrat and abu'l hasan al-ash'ari falsely and refer to them condescendingly, they are not to be criticized. but, if someone points this out, they are being condescending.

    one can insinuate and be condescending with imam ghazali, but if you question the knowledge of such a person, it is lamentable.

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    in previous times, when ghayrah for the deen was more valued than hypocrisy, people didn't hesitate to call a spade a spade. they referred to ahl al-bid'ah with contempt and rightly so; i hope m1s2 does not propose a bowdlerizing exercise to purge books of fatawa and rudud of such epithets.

    tabyin kadhib al-muftari would then become: "analysing the incorrect presumption of a mistaken individual" instead of, "demonstrating the lies of a slanderer".

    wa billahi't tawfiq.
     
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  8. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    this was unnecessary, don't instigate their favorite topics. Let us remember our Imam Sayyiduna Imam Hussain raDi Allahū ánh instead of any mention of paleed.
     
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  9. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Brother, your points are good and should be taken into consideration. It would be nice if someone could volunteer as a 'watchdog', search for these links and post them in response. Maybe you could do that? :)

    So is this also directed towards those who curse Yazid and Marwan as well?
     
  10. muslim 1st Sunni 2nd

    muslim 1st Sunni 2nd Active Member

    Brother Chisti-Raza my comment was a general one ...

    1. You have to understand that people may come to this website for the very first time and so seeing insults in response doesn't paint a good picture. If it has been refuted earlier or elsewhere a simple link would go nicely to round off the topic.

    2. Also, if we are constantly being attacked on the same topics, then what is the real point of creating new topics that are repeats? what is the real purpose of the topic then?

    3. Related to point 2, we need to try to benefit the masses and so providing a link or refutation at the same place will educate readers who are unaware of the fallacy of the argument put forward. Who knows it may even make people who follow his creed to think twice.

    4. For me, simply insulting or abusing an individual doesn't benefit anyone. Did the beloved Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam engage in hurling abuse and insults with the kuffar?
     
  11. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    once again you did not understand my post (if you were referring to mine). My dear brother, must we post a refutation with references every time we are attacked, especially when these points of attack have been refuted time and time again? Just search this forum ...
     
  12. muslim 1st Sunni 2nd

    muslim 1st Sunni 2nd Active Member

    I think it would be more fruitful to provide a concise refutation with references or provide a link ... this is more beneficial than cursing.
     
  13. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Iblisi Tawhid!
     
  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    muftari, kazzab.

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    more and more straw men to burn.
     
  15. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    you were there?
     
  16. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    This is in the journey of faith salafi conference at Metro Convention Centre in Canada.

    The irony is that yasir qadhi also speaks at RIS, reviving the Islamic spirit confererence that takes place many times in the very same centre, and journey of faith is meant to counter those deviant sufis in Canada

    salafis call RIS deviant sufis
     
  17. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

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