Huzur Shaikh ul Islam on TuQ

Discussion in 'Refutation' started by Unbeknown, May 21, 2012.

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    This time a video. I think its high time some ashrafi sent a detailed istifta to the Sayyid requesting an official fatwa on the lines of the FUREC one. Anybody got contacts? http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en-GB&client=mv-google&v=hB9EESbDEJg&fulldescription=1 ( you wont believe what one ashrafi told me about Madni Miyan's fatwa on Jilani Miyan. He said, "mufti mutiurRahman has said that takfir of a Sayyid by another Sayyid does not carry weight AS LONG AS BOTH ARE UPON TRUTH ". I don't know if such a fatwa exists, but the amusing thing is that this guy completely ignored the qualification "AS LONG AS BOTH ARE UPON TRUTH" and said that though he considers Madni Miyan as the final authority he does'nt accept this fatwa! And after the above video he says, look, Madni Miyan doesn't consider TuQ as kafir but only gumrah, so do i. When i said that Madni Miyan might be unaware of TuP's kufr and that the FUREC fatwa gives a fair idea about Madni Miyan's principles, he goes: "but that fatwa's between Sayyids, remember?" !! I spent two fruitless hours trying to make him agree on the principles atleast, he didn't budge. I see that a cornerstone of TuP fans' arguments is that, "Oh but shaykh xyz supports him and Sayyid Fulan doesn't call him kafir and Mufti pqr has attended his abc program etc. etc. ad infinitum". They're demanding an IJMA for TuP's takfir, till then its all darkness, Good Night ! :( )
     
  2. muzammil786

    muzammil786 Guest

    Khalid Miya is a lackey of FUREC. Nobody to be taken seriously.
     
  3. Wasim

    Wasim Guest

    He is son of Ashraful Aulema Hazrat Hameed Ashraf Alaihrahmah of Zakariya Masjid..

    http://ashrafululma.com/khalid_ashraf.html
     
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  4. muslim 1st Sunni 2nd

    muslim 1st Sunni 2nd Active Member

    As far as I can deduce Hazrat Madani Mian has not issued a fatwa but based their opinion of Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri on the research of others (which is open to debate and interpretation).


    By the way, has anyone seen the other videos posted by the same user:

    dawat e islami blame on aala hazrat:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dE8PcwfZyI&feature=channel

    dawat e islami exposed
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibF29DoItEI&feature=channel


    Troublemaker!
    Hazrat Madani Mian would NOT want to be associated with such a person.
     
  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    No. Not for me. But the drowning man clutches even a straw!

    " Aaawaz to Madni Miyan ki hi hai par.......".
     
  6. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    You have an audio recording which is pretty clear. No need for anymore videos/audios surely?
     
  7. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Brother, I don't know who Sayyid Khalid Ashraf is. But the way they spoke of him it seems he is family.

    I think it would be great if someone could get a detailed video-statement from Hadhrat Madni Miyan. Anyone from kichhochha?
     
  8. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    And besides when TuQ is giving money to volunteers then no doubt those who support and endorse him will be well looked after - its a sign of the times when muslims including supposedly senior scholars can easily be bought.
     
  9. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    Sayyid Khalid Ashraf will do as he pleases - the less said the better. He is not a scholar of any standing
     
  10. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Assalamua'laikum.

    Few mureeds of Hadhrat Madni Miyan can not digest this audio.

    Reason: Sayyid Khalid Ashraf is hosting TuQ in Mumbai. How come Hadhrat hasn't stopped him?

    Any inputs?
     
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    more than just that bro.

    Tajush Shariah sahab calls him a kafir murtad - @ 15:38 he says "us key kufr'o irtidad ke alawah" (apart from his kufr and apostasy).
     
  12. The Emir

    The Emir Well-Known Member

    Pretty damning - 'gumrah' and stay away from him!
     
  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  14. muzammil786

    muzammil786 Guest

    Alhamdulillah that I saw this from Hazrat Shaykh ul-Islam Sayyid Madni Miya
     
  15. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    yes, this is a good answer. thank you wa jazakAllahu khayr.
     
  16. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    akhi al-karim this is your statement about the shaykh, and i don't think it is correct, and would believe that he won't agree to call him just a sullah kulli, though he said it in the phone call but it was just a phone call and not a fatwa and if the shaykh is aware of the latest developments and it seems that he is then his fatwa would certainly be very different, true that it is not obligatory upon him, however his fatwa would certainly be an awakening call for masses.
    anyway, May Allah Subhanu wa Ta'la increase his ranks, give him sihah, and benefit us from his knowlege (ameen).
     
  17. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    first - if the recording of the phone call was made public without hazrat Madani Mian's permission than it was very unfair, and dishonesty.
    second-i agree with you but if a grand mufti and a well known aalim issues a fatwa than it makes a big difference.
    third- peace brothers, i didn't mean to belittle Hazrat Madani Mian hafizahullah.
     
  18. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    See posts 11 & 12 on this thread.
     
  19. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Assalamua'laikum.

    Could someone post a link to/upload Mufti sahib(hafidhahullah)'s fatwa?

    Jazakallah.

    Wassalam.
     
  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    firstly, shaykh ul islam madani miyan didn't make that comment in public. hence, it would require his permission to release it into the public domain. i hope the youtuber had this.

    secondly, hazrat does refute tahir jhangvi. we don't need each and every great scholar alive to make lengthy comments. hazrat is elderly and ill and his calling tahir a sulah kulli is enough.

    tahir has dozens of issues and hazrat isn't going to mention each one during a random phone call from an unknown caller. we must see try to see things in perspective.
     

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