Husn Zann that SDI Muballigh didn't know about controversey and fatwas?? Do you think we are living in Alaska or Caves of Afghanistan. Even Non Muslims here knew about the Takfir of Dr. TuQ thanks to the high voltage show put up by these people. Can you imagine that the Takfiris arranged a Niyyaz function in the mosque right in front of the Ijtema venue and gathered a huge crowd of people and had all the plans to rock the event.But police intervened and managed to avoid any untoward incident. As nothing was working for them,they brought in Kashmir issue to trap him.. It has been in the news right form the start of his trip to India. These people left no stone unturned in their effort to stop him. And you say that the SDI Muballigh didn't know about the Takfir? Tomorrow you'll come and say that we should exempt a Qadiyani from Takfir for husn zann that he might be not knowing about Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani? Fiqh Debate:: I don't want to be another 'Internet Mufti on the Loose'. I know that I am not qualified for issuing fatwas and derieving conclusions as I am not through the Dars e Nizami course,so I don't want to risk my Imaan by judging others. And you have admitted that neither you are a qualified Mufti. We have example of Ala Hazrat(ra),who mastered all Fiqh books of his time and mastered all major Uloom before he issued his first fatwa. So,who are we to pass verdicts based on youtube videos and handful of Fiqh books that we have read?
my question to you is: is husn-zann due only to tahir in spite of his actions which are explicit, openly done, widely beheld and reasonably established as an event that occurred. and no husn-zann to others, that they might not have known about this etc.? please don't shout at me: i have already told you that i neither own the forum, nor do i pay the bill.
i can understand your anger, but i have posted to a relevant comment, which i have quoted. actually, i don't pay the bill nor am i the owner. the question is, will you participate?
The Topic of this post is SDI's position on TuQ and we are discussing it. If you don't have contacts in SDI and you can't contribute anything valuable we would appreciate your silence. You may be owner of this site and might be paying the yearly bill for the domain name,but it doesn't mean you should be jumping into every thread and giving your expert comments. For intricate Fiqh issues,open another thread and debate it out there.
you have been restricted because, like many others like you before you, you start a topic or issue and when you are answered, ignore it and move on to another topic as if nothing has occurred. if you are sincere and upright, either you answer or acknowledge or keep quiet. instead, you keep repeating the same thing even after you have been answered. you will have to prove that you are not a troll, that is why we are asking you for this test. and most trolls will scamper away when faced with a serious question. because, it exposes either their ignorance and incapability or their insincerity (because hopefully, they will not call the authors of those texts as fatwa-baaz mulla or internet muftis). don't make a song and dance like a daughter-in-law complaining about her mother-in-law. and please don't give the impression that you are being oppressed as if you are in homs. all we have asked you is to post here something relevant from common texts that are accepted by hanafis, so that we too can see what these hanafi imams say; because you brush away these quotes when we provide them to you - why not you do it yourself? in fact, you can propose any similar book of fiqh/fatawa if you like.
Though I have been barred from posting I am replying to this post because it is putting a question mark on me.... Speaker Line:: The speaker line is not independent,but is located right inside the mosque and adjacent to the Mimbar of Ismail Habib Mosque which is SDI Markaz. Its where the speeches of SDI get across to thousands of Sunni households in South Mumbai.... Its run by Muballighs who are into SDI since start. If they are broadcaasting speeches of a 'Kaafir and Murtad' then I think the credibility of SDI Markaz is under question. Mufti Nizamuddin:: Being close to Ameer SDI doesn't mean that they are in sync with each and every issue,isn't it? If Ameer SDI felt so strongly about Dr.TuQ he would have given a Juma Khutba against Dr.TuQ. But the names you would see throughout posters across Mumbai.There was not a single poster by SDI against Dr.TuQ. The posters were mainly put up by Sunni Tablighi Jamaat which also maintains that SDI is no longer Sunni and calls them Sulleh Kulli. SDI Muballigh: Mere reprimand to a Muballigh who kissed the hand of Dr.TuQ is not enough I guess. I think they should make him read Kalima once again to satisfy ego of many people. See I have been declared a 'Murtad' by a Mod here just for saying that there is a possiblity that Dr.TuQ can be saved from Takfir. Imagine someone kissing his hands.Doesn't he deserve a bigger decree?
Of course it is ludicrous. And the argument in support of the claim is as absurd as the claim itself. Harun insists that Hazrat Alama Maulana Shakir Noorie is "neutral" because he has not yet (and I place all emphasis on "yet") released a statement. But, the fatwa of Mufti Nizamuddin is sufficient proof of Hazrat Sahib's position. Mufti Nizamuddin is the mufti towards whom the muballighin are directed to take their questions. His role at the annual ijtema is that of faqih and he addresses the needs of SDI. If we were dealing with reasonable people we would not be having this conversation. Why, Harun, would the fatwa be published in the SDI magazine if Maulana Shakir Noorie was neutral or if their was a difference of opinion amongst the ulama of SDI? Since Harun is being so persistent and has made such bold claims, I spoke with a muballigh from Bombay whose family introduced SDI to the US and who hosts Hazrat Sahib in his home during his visits here. He made two very important points: 1. The speaker system in Bombay that broadcasts Tahir's speeches is NOT run by SDI or by muballighin of SDI as Harun claims. It merely broadcasts the weekly ijtema, along with speeches from other Sunni ulama not at all affiliated with SDI. It is an independent system. 2. Irfan Qadiri, the Hyderabadi muballigh who took ijazah from Tahir, has already been reprimanded and a decision will soon be made regarding the course of action he must take now that the Minhajians are using his error to make false claims about Hazrat Sahib. As sick as I am of this argument, I'd like to add that Hazrat Sahib has never forbid us from attending programs sponsored by DI or during which DI will be promoted. Every year he attends one of the largest Milad programs in the US at which muballighin from DI recite naat and distribute DI books. The masjid that hosts it keeps an ample supply of both Faizan-e-Sunnat and Barkat-e-Shariat to distribute throughout the year. I have been present with him at many programs in the US over the course of the past 7 years during which DI activities have been promoted and not once has he refused an invitation from the hosts of those programs nor has he advised anyone against attending. I myself celebrated Eid ul-Adha last year at Faizan-e-Madina in Toronto. But, regarding Tahir, we have now been advised to increase our work to protect our communities from his fitna. If the lies and misinformation continue to circulate, inshallah, I anticipate that all of the ulama whose good names have been falsely raised as supporters of Tahir will soon issue clear statements of their own.
Can you provide me with a list of these known and recognised ulama by the Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammah that apparently support TUQ? I believe hand on heart te Molana Shakir Rizvi Noorie does NOT support TUQ. Hazrat Shakir Rizvi Noorie spends so much time with Molana Qamar Uz Zaman Azmi and Hazrat has made his views quite clear about TUQ. To say Molana Shakir is a quite supporter of TUQ is ludicrous.
The position of Ulema regarding TuQ is: 1. Handful of Ulema have gone towards Takfeer (But intrestingly some among them have given fatwa against one another) 2.Few have differed with him on some issues but have not done Takfeer 3. Few prefer to stay neutral and refuse to comment. 4. Many Ulema are still supporting him inspite of controversies around him. Every category has well known Ulema. In such a scenario,how can a ordinary Sunni do Takfeer when Ulema themselves are divided on this issue?
More or less all the senior Muftis and Scholars in India have said TuQ is a deviant but its not enough for Harun. He now wants Ameer of SDI who with all due respect is not in the same category of Scholar as those who have called TuQ a deviant to say he is a deviant!! Clutch at more straws if it makes you feel better I
This thread is about SDI's position on Dr. TQ and you are bringing in my Shaykhs in between. What's the link? BTW, I am a Sunni,Hanafi and I stay near DI Markaz and I attend their gatherings. Allama Dilawar Chishti is a khatib in our Mosque who is a Farig from well known Ahle Sunnat Madrassa of Jamia Mubarakpur. Also I attend the SDI Ijtemas. I listen to Sufi Arab Ulema and Ahlus Sunnah scholars who are from Mumbai and who visit from outside Mumbai as well.. BTW,This forum has given a very good option of View Posts for a user. You can check my previous posts to find more about me. Can we come back to topic now? CAn you show me any speech of Ameer SDI against Dr. TQ?
lol, gotta love the blackmails by you people. i didn't ask how much you earn or something about your family. what i can never get about people like you is that you have this sort of a guilty conscience about your shuyukh and can't say openly and proudly who you take your religious instruction from. i for instance can tell you very proudly that i follow opinions from within the Hanafi (& mainly Qadiri) ulema, both Arab and subcontinental. these include Ilyas Qadiri Sahab, Akhtar Raza Sahab, Mufti Nizamuddin Sahab, Muzaffar Shah Sahab, Shah Turabul Haq Sahab, Kaukab Noorani Okarvi Sahab from the popular ones, and some other Hanafi Qadiri Ridawi shuyukh who are not in public limelight, as well as Arab ones who are Hanafi (and Qadiri through other chains, and some not but on other tariqahs) like Shaykh Abdul Razzaq Al-Halabi & Shaykh Muhammad Adib Kallas rahimahumullah, and some Arab Hanafi Qadiri shuyukh not so overly popular. i will also tell you that i do not take religious opinions from uneducated people like mr. abdul qadir jilani of the uk or tahir and those who support them i asked to keep the discussion on topic. asking about who you take your religious instruction from will clear the air on your leanings and biases. it is no different than asking if you're Sunni or shia or wahabi or habashi or whatever. so can you please state who are the scholars whose opinions you follow, more specifically on polemics such as these
Neither I am a Minhajian nor I am a Murid of Dr. TQ. Why are you making this thread personal? Lets keep the discussion on topic.. Personal things can be discused later.. Reply to my question first
Direct questions harun: 1. Are you minhajian / tahir's murid? 2. Who is your shaykh? If you don't want to say, can you state who is the scholar or group of scholars you take Islamic teachings from?
Not attending a Ijtema where other group is being promoted is not a daleel for Takfeer. SDI doesn't go alon DI for any program even in Wahabi strongholds. Does this mean that SDI opposes DI or upholds the fatwa of Kufr on them? BTW,Can you show me a single speech/article of Ameer SDI against Dr. TQ?
Were you present at that meeting or did you hear this from the Minhajis? Minhaji's see praise everywhere even when it is absent, just as they see piety and knowledge when it too is lacking. Even as iman departs they still claim that it is present. Muftin Nizam ud-Din, one of the authors of the fatwa posted above, speaks with authority in SDI. How could anyone possibly see it in the SDI magazine and conclude that Ameer-e-SDI is neutral? Have you even read it? As a murid of Ameer-e-SDI and a muballigh of SDI I can assure you that he is not neutral. During the month of Rabi ul-Awwal Hazrat Sahib would not attend any of the Milad programs in the NY area until we received a guarantee from the organizers that Tahir's work would not be promoted. For a number of reasons we have been unable to start a regular ijtema here. But now, with Tahir's shadow looming, we were instructed to have the inaugural program this month. I was present at meetings in which some well intentioned supporters of Tahir were personally invited by Ameer-e-SDI to participate in our activities in New York and New Jersey as an alternative to the Deen-e-Ilahi conference that the Minhajis will host in June. They have given their support to Tahir because they have good hearts and want to see good work done for their children. We were told that we could not successfully prevent them from attending the program in June if we did not offer them another option. We are forbidden from participating in MuQ activities and were are forbidden from attending the June program. Murids came to Hazrat Sahib asking what they should do and they were told that they should not participate.
MQI Mumbai team had personally met Ameer SDI and he said that he would prefer to remain neutral on this issue.So you will not find a single speech/article of Ameer SDI on Dr. TQ inspite of the fact that his words carry a lot of weight in Mumbai... I agree that Some Muftis have against Dr. TQ.But the stand of Ameer SDI is that he has preferred not to speak against Dr. TQ.
This is Mufti Nizamuddin, Mufti Misbahi and Molana Yaseen Akhtar Misbahi of Jamiatul Ashrafiya Mubarakpur's article on "Dr. Tahirul Qadri" right? If so, then a link to the English translation of it is at: http://www.sunniport.com/masabih/showthread.php?t=10133
