pir alauddin siddiqi's mawlid

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  1. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Because i have heard a lot of scholars making accusations upon the ameer of dawateislami and its mubalighs that they read salah behind deviants and they preach this action, and i Don't know any other international organisation who has had this accusation put on them.
     
  2. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    It was a general statement. What made you think that it was an indication towards di?
     
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  3. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Brother if you are indicating at dawateislami, its dawateislami who have gave the fatwa against dr tahir minhaji, ive gave there dar ul ifta calls previously and asked them questions regarding our aqaid and nazariyaat and the reply ive been given was allways the one we hear from other ulama e ahle sunnat.

    Ask there dar ul iftas if salah is valid behind bad mazhabs, and te reply you will get is no you cant.
     
  4. chisti-raza

    chisti-raza Veteran

    Yeah, just like scholars from and who represent international organisations who don't care where or behind whom they or their followers and muslims pray their salah.
     
  5. Ridawi78692

    Ridawi78692 Hanafi Maturidi Qadri

    Brothers, i think personally majority of our scholars of today are not as staunch as our akabirs who have passed away. For example when mufti e azam hind was going to go to the haramains, he was told to have a picture taken, he refused and didnt have it taken.

    I know certain scholars who allow photos today to some extent, but what shocks me is that there are certain scholars in our jamaat who clearly state there opinion is photos are haram, but still have them taken.

    This was only one example, there are many which can be listed but overall i think the staunchness of out previous buzurgs is slowly being taken away.
     
  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Why's there a difference between what Ulama say and what they do?

    They say the rank of a scholar is the highest but I'm just watching noor tv's broadcast of pir siddiqi's visit to aston park before tomorrow's event. The two people closest to him are politicians and then it's the Ulama.

    I'm sure tomorrow will be the same.

    Waste of money.
     
  7. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    bad times: refuse to meet the PM, and get branded a "terrorist".
     
  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    indeed, and with foresight such as his it is a surprise that he is not (or so it seems) considering the long term repercussions of all this.

    Okay, so the cabinet arranged it but did they force him to meet them inside the haram of the mosque? Lets assume they did. Usually, if one doesn't approve of something he did (or had to do) he tries to hush it up and not proclaim it aloud to the world. If I had to eat pork because I was dying of hunger(Allah forbid) I wouldn't brag about it on my website.

    I am not saying that Allama sahib is doing it for fame (as I've said earlier, he doesn't need it) nor am I saying that he asked people to put up those photos on the website. He might not even be aware of whats going on. In which case he should be alerted so that he can take those morons to task who are responsible for this indescrition. These things should be hushed up to prevent misunderstanding and suspicion.

    I agree that he has the ummah's best interests at heart (wouldn't want to think ill of a scholar of his standing) but I do think that sometimes even the best of people get so caught up in their obligations and duties that their attention slips from considering the bigger picture and the end-results of certain choices they make. No one is more helpful at such times than a sincere and intelligent advisor. I do not know which sort of people surround him these days but they are doing him a real disservice by not bringing these things to his attention. Hope this changes soon. We can't keep chucking people out for their inadvertant mistakes but we can't just ignore them either.

    Allah knows best.
     
  9. AbdalMujtaba

    AbdalMujtaba New Member

    Jazak Allah for the clarification. I too was wondering about that.

    BUT what about the posing for the pictures with the priests? What about Mawlana Azmi staying quiet on his sons antics and being seen with him after his sons attendance at Sullah Kulli events?

    Mawlana Azmi is a very educated, and spiritual thinker and scholar but some things just do not add up. Hopefully we can remove the doubts via this forum
     
  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Look, Cameron asked to meet allama azmi after reading about him. This wasn't something Mufakkir e Islam arranged himself etc.

    Them coming to the masjid was arranged by the cabinet.
     
  11. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Warsi a Muslim?

    This stuff about 'influence' and Muslim 500 or whatever it is called is a bit of a joke. A lot of these clowns in that list do not influence 500 people and have no influence in day to day life. We are living in times of great deception. Pirs, Awliya et al. even have circulars going round now to make sure you press like on facebook and leave reviews on youtube clips.

    http://allamaazmi.com/gallery.asp

    Dave's pictures are on the official site.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oT1w3fiSic&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Listen what she refers to the kafir grandson of the dajjal of punjab as...

    then she is at the vatican with the argentinian kafir

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...ts-government-at-inauguration-of-pope-francis

    Allah Ta'ala save us all, Ameen
     
  12. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    but brother Aqdas this is not very encouraging either:

    https://assets.digital.cabinet-offi...em/uploads/image_data/file/14521/eid1-960.jpg

    http://www.asianimage.co.uk/resources/images/2577710.jpg?type=articleLandscape

    and this one is right inside the 'ayn-e-masjid:
    http://sunninews.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/david-cameroon.jpg

    Allama sahib could simply have stood his ground and refused to meet the duo inside the mosque. Publicity for Mr. PM could have been arranged elsewhere.

    we are not supposed to talk about the dunya inside the mosque. A hadith sharif states that it nullifies one's 40-years worth of ibadah. I do not know what they were discussing in the above meeting. deen or dunya?

    how many ta'wils can we make to exonerate personalities? hasn't the shariah been watered-down enough?

    Perhaps there are situations for which concessions exist or perhaps in another madhhab the ruling is less stringent and Allama sahib is simply availing the dispensation for he sees the need to be pressing.

    Can we compare the need for such things to that of a woman in need of health-care who cannot find a mehram to treat her so both she and a male physician are allowed to interact to the extent that is unavoidable but in the presence of a mehram?
    then agian, the PM can't be considered a mehram for the baroness.

    I do not know, but for such publicized meetings the fiqhi dispensations, if any, should be made known to the masses because the danger of it being presumed to be halal for everyone and at all times is quite real. People are always on a lookout for ease and they may get their rationalizations from events such as above.

    I can imagine that Allamah sahib was detesting every moment he stood there with them, despising munkar in his heart, but who will tell all this to the masses?
    I have seen people, with my own eyes, showing all these pictures to friends and telling them how influential and great Allama sahib is. I wish people would realize that he doesn't need photo-ops with the kuffar and fussaq to achieve greatness.

    Allama sahib is a khalifa of Mufti-e-Azam ('alayhirrahmah). Would mufti-e-azam have approved of this, considering the circumstances of a dar-ul-harb where muslims are a minority and need to make themselves heard?


    Allah knows best.

    Wassalaam.
     
  13. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Mufakkir e Islam Azmi is the General Secretary of WIM?

    Can you ask Mufakkir e Islam to give the advice to Huzur Shaykh ul Alam as you have valid concerns. Both of them are old friends.
     
  14. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    When has Mufakkir e Islam organised an event where women have lectured to men?

    Did he organise the Canada event?

    Mufakkir e Islam is a man of akhlaq who you obviously don't know very well.
     
  15. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    I will tell Huzur Shaykh ul Alam when I meet them. Can you pass the same message on to Mufakkir e Islam Azmi also

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7_iMCgFxB8
     
  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    If there's anyone reading this who has links to pir siddiqi, maybe pass this into him so that this year's event is actually a milad sharif without women speakers and a bit more learning about seerah and tasawwuf.

    As I said above, we can hold talks with politicians about our issues without spending £100k. I think this event should solely concentrate on teaching sunnis to fear Allah, follow the sunnah and love RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam etc.
     
  17. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    50K is about 7 million in Pakistan. we could well build a madrassah with that money, that would be much more beneficial and longer lasting than a program of a few hours.

    same thing with the big banquets being thrown around after the mahafil of eesaal sawaab: the same money could be used to build madrassahs in the name of the saints / peers whose urs was being celebrated.
     
  18. MHQadri

    MHQadri Active Member

    I may need some funding to print books!
    Better still, as seen in some places, give out free books with the money. Don't know how much educative such gatherings are.
    True Aqdas, the money could have been spent wisely.
    We need to start thinking of building Islamic Schools, Darul 'Uloom (s), good institutions, get classical texts into English, train younger generations and up-coming 'Ulama and finance them to work effectively, and produce academics and not Friday to Friday lecturers.
     
  19. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Agreed well put, mashaAllah

    Idiots like that afgani around the pir do not help the case.
     
  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    they've been fundraising for this for months, live on tv. and i reckon it costs a lot more than £50k, i don't know.

    for me, they need to look at:

    1. an alternative venue that will save them money
    2. having a mawlid, not a political event
    3. not having women [young one's at that, probably mureedas] delivering talks

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    i mean, how constructive is the gathering for the thousands of laymen who attend? the organisers should continue their political struggle regarding the honour of rasulAllah sallAllahu 'alayhi wa sallam but not make every year's mawlid a platform for politicians and kafir religious leaders. they can have a separate event for all that and don't need tens or hundreds of thousands of sunni pounds to facilitate kuffar. they could host all those politicians and kuffar elsewhere [if they must] in a council building and it may even be free.

    if you ask sunnis to donate for a mawlid, give them a mawlid because currently, sunnis have just paid loads of money and not learned much.

    i may be wrong so please share your thoughts.

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     

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