For these soofees who love shaytan, we should read a'oodhu bilAllahi min ash shaytan ar rajeem [ the rejected one ] @CHISHTI
No critique for the Brother who pointed out the error was intended, the general critique was basically for something I perceived on the forum as a whole, not for any brother in particular. Hope it benefited someone, and if it didnt, then im sorry.
Again, sorry if I came across as rude: 1) in the initial comment, and 2) in my response. Jazakallah Sidi for your observation.
The Mutazilites/Shia, have a conception of divine justice, and also the universalists, that do not depict Allah the Exalted as having a real wujud, he is sidelined as an arbitrary decision maker, like a 'calculator' of punishment and reward, other people literally translate the divine attribute of 'Hasib' in this manner. Ahlus Sunna tries to depict Allah as possessing a more real and tangible perception of divine justice, i.e. if a creature, such as Iblis, went on an pursues a corrupt path in life, he is not 'automatically saved' just from repenting, but rather divine justice has a definite character that would not allow his redemption, simply from the formal procedure of 'repentance', i.e. God would not forgive Iblis on a formality because his sense of justice is absolute and comprehensive, and does not, at the end of the day, act like a calculator, he gives holistic judgements, and looks at the entirety of the problem, not just one small act of repentance. This was the general image I was describing, and yes, I could have rephrased them, but it was a comment, not an essay. A forum should not be a place for giving authoritative doctrine, this is the place for casual conversation, it is not a Majlis of Ulema, at this stage, development is still going on, so people should comment, make mistakes, and let each other have the benefit of doubt. It is a big step from making a casual comment, as a human being, which I am, on a forum, and then taking that casual comment and pasting it in a book for example. People like Ashraf Ali and Ismail Dehlavi, where they should have processed their thoughts privately or casually, went and made the mistake of printing them straight away, I on the other hand do not operate in such a haphazard manner, and I make sure that when I formally write things, they appear in a formal style, which I do not think is needed on this forum, since what is going on here is that nobody on the forum is confident to participate in any form of casual discussion because they are afraid they will make a mistake. They should not be afraid of making mistakes, nor are forum posters any authority to excommunicate them. Allow the forum posters to say what they will, because at the end of the day, it does not go beyond these borders. I myself keep tabs on my own theological and mental development and I know when I cross a boundary and when I am safe, too much fear of inappropriateness stifles development and ties down intellectual growth to only a select group of elite. Which is wrong. There is a world of difference between me making a passing observation as a casual human who indulges in Islamic Studies, and me going up for a Juma Khutba and declaring it as authoritative doctrine, learn to tell the difference between the two and learn to appreciate somebody's observation before criticising. Look at your forum, all it is is some poor soul trying to give some positive reflection on something, and some robot pops up here and there saying, "Sidi: Wheres the reference?", "Sidi: What is the dalil", "Brother, this is heretical", "Brother, takfir is wajib upon you". When modern scholars make huge blunders, everyone says "Oh lets have husn az zann", but when someone who you do not perceive as a scholar makes a comment, everyone loves to gang up on him.
Sidi, these words are seem to have been said unintentionally and are inappropritate to say the least. Please rephrase them. I suggest you request the mods to edit your post. Wassalaam.
Salaam all I remember when I first became a Muslim in 1996..the week before my conversion young, zealous members of a certain sufi group stormed into mosque and confronted the Maulana - who was teaching children at the time - and argued with him about this very topic. They claimed all non Muslims will eventually enter Jannah and even the devil himself will be forgiven!! Luckily the Maulana was very well trained and was fluent in English and destroyed their argument..much to the dislike of the "Sufis" who left the mosque...luckily for them they all left this group in the months to come and the fitna fizzled out. Maulana sahib also demolished the HT when they came team handed into the mosque and asked why we weren't working for the khilaafat..Maulana took them on one by one until they left with their tails between their legs. These groups are so used to "debating" with laymen and "winning" the debate, because they know more about their deviance than the Sunni knows about his true Deen, that they become arrogant...until they come across a real scholar who is familiar with their tricks and are thoroughly defeated.
It was probably in relation to Al Hallaj's theory that Satan was the utmost lover of God, to which Imam Hujwiri wrote a refutation in Kashf al Mahjub, that actually, Satan's refusal to bow was not from his love of Allah, but rather his refusal to bow showed his hatred for Allah. So basically, things arent looking that good for Shaytan from either side of the spectrum. Also, its a bit funny to think Satan will be forgiven, since he promised that he was going to take all us guys down to hell with him, so what a conundrum it would be if we were all down there and then suddenly we look up and see Satan in paradise? Hes going down, and he wants to take us with him. Satan's salvation would mean that his attempts to terrorise humanity are forgivable, which is not possible. Also, it is understood by some that Paradise has many levels and sections, so its not like everyone is in the same room, so to speak, even still, despite the existence of levels depending on the relative greatness of its inhabitants, there would be no appealing flavour to divine justice if God found a way to fit Shaytan in the same place where Prophet Muhammad alayhis salam is staying now is there? If Sunnism rejects a person's faith because it contains 1 element of disbelief in relation to 99 aspects of faith, how can divine justice permit the salvation of Satan, when less evil humans are not forgiven, and continue to live this life in depression and wretched rejection of Truth?
I was asked this by a brother that someone told him shaytan will be forgiven and go to jannah. wrong. --- Quran says in 38:74, shaytan is a kafir. Quran says in 38:85, shaytan and his followers will be thrown into hell.
