anthropomorphic speech/dua of tablighi/devbandi tariq jameel

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  1. abu Hasan

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    astaghfirullahi'l azeem.
    inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

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    we cannot bear to hear such rambling. alas all those foolish and ignorant muslims who may be impressed with this munafiq's wailing drama do not realise that this man is uttering kufriyat. may Allah ta'ala forgive me for repeating this, but we do this to warn common people to save their iman from this jahil speaker, who doesn't know the adab of du'a. he doesn't know which attributes are permissible for Allah ta'ala.

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    'O Allah! come and walk with us...where are you?'

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    so asking angels to do sifarish is permissible, but shirk if you ask RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam.

    tareek jameel (who says @10.11 addressing angels: "i have faith that you hear me and you see me..") {dayabina may point out that tareek jameel is not calling upon un-present angels; he is calling upon angels present in the majlis. but the question remains: is this istighatha - regardless of being present, or not?)

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    tareek jameel tawba karo: else your fears will come true and your grave will cause give you untold terror and darkness.
     
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

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    in this video jj says tj is his ustad
     
  3. Ghulam

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  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    @5.35 TJ recites this verse:

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    according to TJ in his words:
    lafz to ye hain qur'an ke: 'is bache se kaise baat kareN'. lekin maf'hum ye hai ke mariyam tujhe apne gunah ko chupane ka koyi sahi bahana bhi na mila. aSl maqSad ye hai.

    the words of the qur'an are: "how can we talk to this child". but what can be understood is, that they said: "o maryam, you couldn't find a proper excuse to hide your sin". this is the intention [of their objection, as mentioned in the verse].
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    i checked about twenty or so tafsirs, most commentaries mention that the community was outraged and said that she is making fun of us by asking us to speak to a child. yes, you can extrapolate and stretch that to mean what TJ said, but is this the way qur'an should be explained? particularly in delicate issues? i feel such things should not be spoken of in a manner of sharing amusing anecdotes or jokes [as TJ mahfil can have a court jester]; one should be demure and give such issues some gravity. accusation of adultery for a pious, chaste and virgin lady is not a laughing matter - don't trivialise it.

    commentators say, that the statement indicates either disbelief: 'how can we speak to a child' or genuine intrigue and question: 'HOW can we speak?' or a dismissal 'a child in the cradle does not speak'.

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    @6.08: "the voice of yisa alayhi's salam began to boom as my voice booms on the speaker".

    keeping in tradition of devbandi adab, TJ draws a comparison of nabi yisa alayhi's salam to TJ himself. OF COURSE, he did not compare himself per se - but was telling them "how it boomed" but adab is something else.

    when someone asked a companion: "are you elder to RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam" he replied: "RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam IS THE elder. i am older". [i was born before him]. in another narration the SaHabi gestured and said: "my fingers are not like fingers of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam".

    that is adab - to always make the distinction, lest an illiterate deems it valid to make comparisons.

    may Allah ta'ala grant sense to jahil speakers.
     
  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    @00.41: i seek refuge from your evil [terey sharr se].
    the ayat only says: 'i seek refuge of Allah'

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    @4.15: khaa pi aur mauj kar.

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    sidenote: did sayyidah maryam have a sibling? [not meant to be a refutation of TJ on this issue]

    @4.50: he says: harun was her [sayyidah maryam's] brother, a good and pious man.
    @5.06: "mother, father and brother are all mentioned" [that they are not bad, how can you do such a thing]

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    some mufassirin have said that she had a half-brother, by her father but it is deemed a weak opinion.

    exegetes say: the 'ukhta harun' or 'sister of harun' is a metonymy. because, harun was an exemplar of piety and righteousness, so anyone who was like him would be termed 'brother of harun' or 'sister of harun', hence the ayah.

    some others said she was sister of nabi harun - which commentators have themselves rejected as the sayyiduna harun was thousand years prior to sayyidah mariyam's time. those who criticise the qur'an cite this verse and claim that there is 'historical error' in the qur'an [al-iyadhu billah]. according to Tabari even the christians of najran raised this objection and the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam explained that others were named upon the names of righteous people and prophets of yore. [Tabari, ibn kathir and others; in other words, the harun mentioned in the ayah is a contemporary of sayyidah maryam who was named after nabi harun alayhi's salam]

    another opinion is that arabs have a way of addressing a member of the tribe as 'brother of the tribe'. for example, a tamimi is called: 'o brother of tamim' or a muDari as 'brother of muDar'. sayyidah maryam was a descendant of nabi harun alayhi's salam and hence the appellation. [ibn kathir]

    it is said that harun was a contemporary and a righteous, pious man - so also was sayyidah mariyam, hence they equated her with him as if she was his sister (they were both pious and righteous).

    it is also said that harun was a wicked and evil contemporary - and 'sister of harun' was used as an invective, an abuse or sarcastic reference. "o sister of harun (o wicked girl) what have you done?" [Tabari; ibn kathir and shawkani both citing the former; shawkani said that it is a weak opinion and that Tabari did not name his source].

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    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    jahalat of tareek is obvious. his translation of the verses is not correct even according to wahabi standards:

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    at 1.00, he slants the translation: Allah tujhe beTa dene laga hai. but this is not the correct translation.

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    even other wahabi inclined folk deviate from the translation (as on quran.com):

    He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."

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    why is this? where is this addition of "news of"? this cannot be justified even by the variant reading: لِيهَبَ لَكِ [li-yahaba laki - so that He can Give you]. the closest to this "translation" is qurTubi's tafsir: "he attributed "giving" to himself, as he informed her of the Gift". shawkani adds that 'giving' is attributed to Jibril alayhi's salam because he blowed his breath upon her [nafkh] and that he is the sabab[means] for this gift.

    if Jibril `alayhi's salam can "give", so also RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam can "give". the "giving" is majaz. indeed, Allah ta'ala is the REAL Giver (Haqiqi) but others are termed as "givers" by majaz and is permissible - as the qur'an teaches us. apart from this there are many verses in the qur'an which explicitly say that RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam "gives".

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    hakim hakeem daad dawa deN ye kuch na deN
    marduud ye muraad, kis aayat khabar ki hai?

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    but wahabis/devbandis do not follow the qur'an or the Haqq - though they clamour and make a big [but empty] show. rather, they profess the fasid aqidah doled out by the najdi kharijite and his indian clone ismayil paleed; they have no compunction in deviating from the qur'an to justify the hafawat of those heretics. the wahabi/devbandi heresy and culture of disrespect is a heirloom of their hypocrite grand-daddies: [we seek Allah's refuge]

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    will the sibawiyh at the anti-sunni blog take exception or comment or go wild that tareek jameel has distorted the translation? or will he issue an apology?
     
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  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    It seems the wretch cannot talk without insulting and without adding his own mirch-masaala. no wonder jamshed did the same thing - like teacher like pupil. see how he mentions Sayyida Maryam (raDiyAllahu'anha):



    where did he get the words "chal" "tu bhi paak ho bachhe ko bhi paak kar" "munH ........" ??
     
  9. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    He is laying the grounds for the arrival of Dajjal.

    The Holy Prophet said "The last group of Kharijites will join the forces of Dajjal"
     
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  10. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    Dr Tahir takes/makes his opinions after discourses in the USA and Canada. He too has turned himself into an ambassador like Malala. For Dr Tahir, the deliberation is monetary, and power. His beliefs change with time.
     
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i've heard the same thing being said about zakir nalayak, that he's a hindu-appointed munafiq. Allah knows if it's true or not.

    i myself say the same thing about ghazi bin talal, hanson, jifry, umar bin hafeez, tim winter, bin bayyah, hisham kabbani, deceased nazim, ali jomaa and keller and some more smaller fish. it's simply impossible for someone to be so extraordinarily dumb or callous over and over and over and over and over again, and repeatedly commit such blunders that a 7 year old studying Noorani Qaida won't commit! one time is a slip. making it a habit isn't a slip. my contention is that they have been appointed to deliberately spread their poison at worst, or at best simply are lapdogs of royalty and the powerful, lusting over money and fame.

    you think it is a coincidence or an innocent slip that hanson defiantly promotes dante, even after he was picked up on it? people have directly addressed jifry's fawning over the christian priests on facebook and twitter, and he just like that nalayak video you pointed out, doesn't consider a clarification worth his time or effort.

    tahir of course is an open dajjal and kafir. uske upar jitni bhi la3nat ki jaye, kam hai.
     
  12. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    someone said: Tareekh Zaleel is not a fool. He knows that his speeches contain blasphemies and kufr and that people are criticizing him for this. He knows that he is hurting tableeghis' reputation. Why then is he still going at full steam without changing track? It seems that he's been appointed to spread tajseem in the minds of the muslim common man - every year he is churning out new kufriyat. It's a hallmark of the tableeghis that they have always sided with the most powerful - first the british then the congress and now the rss and bjp.

    But who now? On whose behalf is the zaleel working so hard to promote tajseem? Is he preparing for someone's arrival? Someone about whom he can proclaim "lo Allah aagaya!"? (ma'azAllah! Astaghfirullah!) For what or rather for whom is he preparing the tablighis?

     
  13. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    tariq jameel goes on air ONLY to dis-associate himself from JJ's foul speech:

    but see what he says further...

    "there are crores of people involved with Tableeghi Jamaat (TJ), and everybody is giving speeches." This is an implicit acknowledgement that TJ is full of ignorant idiots who are running around rampant, uttering whatever comes to their empty minds.

    then why doesn't TJ stop all this muck? for they don't care a damn about insolence towards the Holy Prophet, but now is the time to do damage control. his niyyah is just that, nothing else - for he keeps repeating "do not link this with me or TJ"

    he also says "my belief is that if one disparages or disrespects the people of the Prophet's household - one goes out of the fold of Islam" - which brings us to his clip below:-


    he uses disgusting words for the beloved grandson of the Prophet: his fatwa should apply to him first.
     
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  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  15. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

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  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  17. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    listen to what the idiot says after 1 hour 10 minutes to push his 'unity' agenda



    they should get this modern munaffiq on geoffreys common word team
     
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  18. Ghulam

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  19. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    whatever ta'wil they may find for tariq, the audience will leave with an anthropomorphic image that Allah ta'ala "descends" on the earth and "catches" hold of individuals, each separately (as the jahil gestures) and shakes them up: "i am your Lord..."

    astaghfirullahi'l `Azeem.
     
  20. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    these are all my words

    even though i wasn't advocating for the jahil mutlaq, i thought i'd give the devil his due credit. after all, the Prophet, 3alais salatu wassalam, even said about iblees himself words to the effect of (he told you the truth even though he's a liar) (the Hadith about Ayat Al-Kursi)

    but alas! it seems that the guy's seriously as dumb as a rock, in addition to being a deobandi

    geo aired a rerun of the same 27th night "bayan" and "dua" by the shaytan and in that same performance where he said "laysa kamithlihi shay" and "la yuheetu bihi makan" etc., he was also talking about tawbah for drunks and guess what he says --- "sharab chorh do. jannat mein Allah apney haathon se pilayega" wal 3eyadhu billah, based on his nafsanic understanding of:

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