perennialist use of magic and shayateen?

Its

paranormal activity, yeah its entertainment for them

 

and they wouldn't mind even divulging bits of the truth [ about the occult being ubiquitous ] acting innocent. Shayateen play mind tricks. There are layers of confusion upon confusion, who has the ability to see clearly through this ?

 

'we accept all the underying Truths in all traditions', the templers say, and i say,
its not all seeing.., u never practise any of these Truths, u just want to control everyone,
"the ladys not for turning" or 'we cant go back'
but nobody knew she was so gay...'and they say. 'come on thats all' as they channel the hurt to each other, and what about everyone else, how can you suppress your own humanity?
i meant that she/he is proud, even though her/his form maybe human..

 

one of the problems with the templers is mass nifaq, there one thing infront of you and another inside. through, supposed "collective conscience" prancing around like understanding lovey dovy types, when they may be harming you and your family for many, many years. "universal brotherhood"... yeah give me a break.

 

Salaam e masnun



but does hanson himself know that he and his family may be in the cauldron of some old hag.
"theres somebody at the door....theres somebody at the door" {hushs down}
from the e.m.u. programme of the 1980's. its this actually entertainment for kids?

 

Sayyidinna ‘Abdullâh b. Mas’ûd, radiullahu ta'la anhu, said:

One should get used to the idea that if everyone on Earth disbelieved, you would not disbelieve.
Do not be an im’ah"( characterless).”

He was asked, “And what is an im’ah"?”

He replied,

“A person who says, ‘I am with the people (I do what they do).’ Verily, there is to be no following examples in evil.

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Imam Ibn Battah, rahimuhullahi ta'la,* al-Ibânah al-Kubrâ* Vol.1 p33.

 

can you just justify to me from the shari3ah how a wali of Allah can ask a christian to pray for him? a simple request.

as usual, i only expect a change of subject and crocodile tears.

i can't help you with your language comprehension problems. i already said being a da3ee he meets everyone, so his meeting of nazim doesn't mean anything at all! if he defended hadra, that does not mean a blanket defense of all of nazim's idiot theories. i didn't attack or defend habib ali. he is exclusive of this talk on nazim. but since you are cunning and pure evil from head to toe, and play by shifting goal posts, you brought him into the picture.

and finally, you are a jahil mutlaq who can't see that what any person does be it habib ali or ala hazrat or anyone else, is not a definition of religion. religion defines people. people don't define religion.

but anyway, that is once again irrelevant because you simply did not give evidence for habib ali giving a blanket defense of any and everything nazim and kabbani do, like disregard of hijab laws, asking christians to pray for him, etc. you just proved that they met, and habib ali defended the act of the hadra.

have your last arrogant word.

/* reminds self - will. not. talk with dead people again! */

 

abdarrashid,

i really liked your previous post.

 

the second noble saying was from sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Mas'ud, radiullahu ta'la anhu.

 

AQ,

dude, you've just be pwned! now be a man and say habib ali isn't a sunni for going to visit and show respect to shaykh nazim and for defending him. [i gave you the youtube links].

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the rest of your post is just ad hominem attacks. i'd rather follow shaykh nazim and shaykh habib ali than an internet nobody like you.

you can call me whatever you like -- doesn't make it so.
have a nice day

only Allah knows who is a heretic or not -- but remember, 'I declare war on him who attacks a wali of mine' - hadith qudsi -- and you attacked shaykh nazim and indirectly--though you haven't got the balls to admit it--shaykh habib ali too. so that's 2 walis you've attacked.

 

not much is known about the author of the book, only that he is a convert, and lectured (dont know if he still does, as somebody made contact with him about 10 years ago), at the american university in cairo, so dont know who he is and his objectives. the book Against the Modern World, i read somewhere, is a "very problematic book. It's sources range from reliable to highly unreliable"

also

"The book also has a liberal democratic agenda, the author frankly finds most disturbing about the Traditionalists their anti-democratic bent, these thinkers, Guenon most of all, were convinced that liberal democracy was a Satanic error in the modern world and one of the insidious forces destroying religion. The author, Sedgewick, displays a veiled problem with this aspect of the Traditionalists. He believes, as demonstrated in his writings, and the organization of his argument, that the Perennialists were crypto-facists and thus a hidden dangerous force."

also,

" the book is useful - it is the ONLY in-depth outsider look into the Perennialists and their movement in the English history, the only attempt at a comprehensive history of this movement. And the problematic aspects of it. For this I regard the book well, but*do not be uncritical to the fact that the book itself has some deep flaws*and Segewick, the author, is not without his bias. I am glad that the author attempted the book, for someone had to do it, but a much better job could have been done and the book should be read critically. And I think that the author could do well to examine his own assumptions and biases."

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noori: deleted upon member's request

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Sayyidinna Abd Allah ibn Mas'ud, radiullahu ta'la anhu:

Whoever amongst you seeks to adopt a path, should take to the way of the dead, since the living are not safe and secure from being put to trial. They, the Companions of (a: Sayyidinna) Muhammad, (a: sallAllahu alayhi wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa baraka wa salama wa sharafa wa karama), possessed the most pious hearts of this ummah, were the most profound in knowledge and the least constraint of this ummah. A people whom Allah chose for the companionship of His Prophet, (a: sallAllahu alayhi wa ala alihi wa sahbihi wa baraka wa salama wa sharafa wa karama), and the establishment of His religion. So know their rights and adhere to their guidance, for they indeed were upon the straight way.”*

***

"None of you should (blindly follow) another man in regards to his religion, if he [one being followed] believes then he believes and if he disbelieves then he disbelieves. If you had to blindly follow someone, then take those who have passed away as examples, for indeed those who are alive are not safe from Fitnah. [1]

***

Imam al-Hasan al-Basri, rahmatullahi alayh, said,

“If a man from amongst the Salaf were to be sent forth today, he would not recognize anything from Islam.”

He put his hand on his cheek and added,

“Except this prayer (salâh).”

Then he said,

“But by Allâh, this does not apply to the person who lives in this unfamiliar time, never having seen the Righteous Predecessors, but who sees [instead] the innovator calling to his bid’ah, and the follower of worldly wealth calling to his materialism, but Allâh protects him from all this and makes his heart*love
and aspire to those Righteous Predecessors, asking about their way, searching and trying to follow in their footsteps, and adhering to their path. Such is a person who will be recompensed with an immense and great*reward. So be you all like this, by Allâh’s permission”.

***

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Mas'ud, radiullahu ta'la:

"Whoever comes with the truth, accept it from him even if he was distant and hated by you and whoever comes with falsehood, then reject it even if he was close and beloved to you. [4]

***

[1]Imam Ibn Abd al-Barr, rahimuhullahi ta'la, Jami Bayan al-Ilm wa Fadlih 2/97.
[2] Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyya, rahimuhullahi ta'la, al-Fawaaid.
[3] Ibn Waddâh, rahimuhullahi ta'la,*Al-Bida’*Vol. 1 p190.
[4] Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyya, al-Fawaaid.

 

just as i expected. crocodile tears and shifting of goal posts. all of course because he is incapacitated to address any point directly or to reason coherently.

i'll leave this bit for any admirers to address:

try justifying in light of the SHARI3AH - asking a christian priest to pray for him, co-ed hadras with total disregard for hijab rules, female murids kissing "shaykh's" hands, and ordering the murids just like the mirza to show reverence to the queen of england!

no but based on what Sunni scholars taught us (you know those same people whose names you love to drop, but whose rulings and conclusions and ijma3 agonizes you and causes you so much grief), i do know that you are a dirty hippy heretic and not deserving of a Muslim's salam.

so cheers mate.

 

habib ali jifri -(q) meets shaykh nazim in cyprus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L04WBPi-GE

habib ali defends shaykh nazim:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azXIxm5-jTU

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coming from you I'll take 'heretic' as a compliment though who died and mad you judge, jury and executioner is anyone's guess.

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you're the only sunni left in the world. well done! (i've heard your reasons 'why' on this forum before...)

 

i always give reasons for it, something you and other ignoramuses like you choose to ignore.

here too i mentioned his cock and bull theories of which i have first hand experience. in other threads i have shown how this old con-merchant travels to visit the pope and asks him to pray for him.

go ahead. bring me a reference from my posts where i have 'gone into a frenzy if someone criticizes a scholar i like'.

on this forum, i have only ever casually mentioned a few contemporary scholars i consider good and genuine. if someone criticizes a scholar, the most i would have done would be to just ask for a reason and leave him to his musings. as for classical ones, maybe i might have gone into a frenzy if some ignoramus spoke the kind of nonsense you speak.

a reason is something you cannot give to defend the likes of conmen like nazim and kabbani! your example is that of a donkey carrying a load of books.

anyway, i await your evidences. go on. please bring examples of me going into a frenzy when a scholar i like has been criticized.

although i don't hold my breath and just expect some crocodile tears. you have a disease of just shooting from the behind without knowing if what you say has any reasoning behind it or any truth to it!

i am only going with the specific example you gave (habaib). like all heretics and dirty hippies you too love to speak in generalizations like "sunni scholars from all over the world" in order to avoid being caught out on your heresies.

if you wish to be taken seriously, mention exactly which sunni scholar has gone to cyprus to visit him? (you probably count tahir as a sunni)

when did the habaib go to visit him in cyprus? got any solid proofs and references? do you consider a meeting just anywhere as a meeting 'in cyprus'?

even if the habaib (99% you're talking about habib ali and habib umar) went to visit him, so what? they are da3ees! they visit anyone including wahabis, shias, christian priests, jewish rabbis, and parliament buildings. so does that mean all these people and politicians are all followers of ahlus sunnah or awliyaa?

you have once again skirted talking about the REASON WHY i consider this old man to be a con merchant. for starters try justifying in light of the SHARI3AH - asking a christian priest to pray for him, co-ed hadras with total disregard for hijab rules, female murids kissing "shaykh's" hands, and ordering the murids just like the mirza to show reverence to the queen of england!

yes, back in the day people had the common sense to know a fake when they saw one, which is more than what i can say for the likes of you i have seen on the internet. oh and it is absolutely laughable that an alleged man of science has such shoddy 'reasoning skills'!

and i know what sarcasm is buddy! however YOU have no idea just how ugly your arrogance is despite how you grope in the dark in your ignorance! my post number 3 was addressing your arrogance but being the sly goal post shifter you are, you shifted it towards what sarcasm is or isn't!

anyway, i only expect crocodile tears from you, and a shifting of goal posts and a change of subject! no coherent or decent reply to the points addressed, for i know that is EXACTLY how you function.

cheers mate.

 

oh, how exciting a life you must have had! *sarcasm*.

 

the parts about these 'Westerners' using sihr and shayateen -- black magic and demons/jinns!!

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AQ -- you always poke fun at Shaykh Nazim but if someone criticises any scholars you like you go into a frenzy...
If Sultan al Awliya is such a fake how come Sunni scholars from all over the world go to Cyprus to visit him? e.g. The Habaib of Yemen!


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From the above article. That explains the odd behaviour of some Sufi orders.

 

kattarsunni's links led me to this page:

http://www.traditionalists.org/write/WSuf.htm

and i found this quite amusing and nostalgic

were good days when me and my buddies used to try and decipher nazim's cock and bull theories and predictions about dragons haunting castles, meeting Imam Mehdi along with 124,000 awliyaa, israel vanishing off of the world map by 1998 and so on. didn't know he even had a thing for the y2k bug! wish some of you could hear what he told live in some of his talks or could read booklets his murids had printed back in the day. (unlike now when e-books and google are all that count)

 

There is some reference to their involvement in sihr in the following:

http://www.amazon.com/Against-Modern-World-Traditionalism-Intellectual/dp/0195152972

This blog may have something:

http://traditionalistblog.blogspot.co.uk/

http://www.traditionalists.org/

Its not a farfetched claim.