Saqib Shaami Sahib in South Africa

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  1. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    the video is of 2006 - it is mentioned in his own post.
     
  2. Abu al-Qasim

    Abu al-Qasim Active Member

    He definitely should. He has openly spoken in Pakistan in support of the work for Namoos e Risaalat being done by Mufti Ashraf Asif Jalali Sahib and 'Allamah Khadim Husayn Ridawi Sahib, and mentioned their names. If he can speak openly on such issues and in support of such personalities of ahl al-sunnah, he should also have the courage to openly refute this dajjal, by name.
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    exactly. this is a golden opportunity to make a point. and slap that filthy minhaji and send him back to his 17th march fancies.
     
  4. Haqbahu

    Haqbahu Veteran

    Why doesn't Mawlana Saaqib Iqbal openly distance himself from Tahir?
    Does the "lion" fear to lose his popularity?
     
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  5. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    Shaytan Umar Minhaji using a video which looks like it was prior to Tahirs Wembley antics (correct me if I'm wrong) to create propaganda.

    I think it's time Pir Saqib Shaami openly distanced himself from Tahir and co.
     

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  6. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    deeming Murtadd Tahir Padri an islamic scholar (and thereby giving him respect) is KUFR. and learning any Islamic discipline from a Murtadd is HARAAM.
     
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  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    what can tahir teach about bukhari? he is an ignoramus and just an actor.

    yes, but zindiq tahir jhangvi is neither a scholar nor has any authority in any field or discipline. except perhaps in shameless lying, of which he is a grandmaster.
     
  8. IbnKhan786

    IbnKhan786 New Member

    Via FB of Umar al-Qadri:
    Shaykh Saqib Shami learning from Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadri in 2006.

    Shaykh Shami Sahib was among the audience during the 4 day long Daura of Shahih Bukhari.

    One should learn from all various sources. Learning and benefitting from any scholar does not mean that one agrees with all the views of that scholar therefore people should not assume that because X scholar attended the lectures if Y scholar so now X scholar accepts everything Y scholar believes.

    We must acknowledge that one should benefit from all scholars and accept their authority in certain fields and disciplines.

    https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10209010791533788&id=1437153957
     
  9. abdul qadeer

    abdul qadeer New Member

    this thread is not about dawateislami... and there is no point asking people to list points againt dawateislami. Muslims are entitled to different views and opinions and what we might see as good or "perfect" others might have opposite view. Leave it at that
     
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  10. Bazdawi

    Bazdawi Well-Known Member

    Adding shaykh wouldn't have taken a lot of time.
     
  11. From Junaid who said " our Science is controlled by The Book and Sunnah". The meaning of which is that none can truelly be accepted as one of the Sufi's except that he embrace every Sunnah including the beard. One cannot reach Fana and reach the level of a Kamil Wali without perfecting the Pillars, the obligatory, the Wajibaat, then the Sunnah because Allah says " Obey Allah obey the Messenger" which indicates adherance to the minimum commands. The perfection of the Sunnah indicates yet higher levels for a Wali due to the words " Say if you love Allah Follow me and Allah will Love You" but for a Shaykh of higher stature it is that he will never leave a single Sunnah no matter what befalls him or her. It is after perfecting what is obligatory and perfecting the Sunnah in terms of never leaving anything out that one gains the sweetness of nearness to Allah and the lifting of one veil (perhaps) as one then strives for the seperogatory acts and struggles against the nafs and shaytaan.

    As for any pir with no or little beard, he may obtain a little from the Ocean and Allah knows best but his Adab would need to be addressed. Even if those in his Chain closer to the living Shaykh's time find excuses for no bearded Caliphas( meaning those in Barzakh recently deceased), those further down the Chain may probably object and let their disapproval be known.

    If the Sufi spends day and night guarding his inner thought, then the issue of not having the required length for the beard is a momentous thing that would shake the very ground he stands on. If you want to see the Friends of Allah, look to their bodily frame. If they are closer to bones then that may indicate long arduous years of struggle. If their stomachs easily show, then it is possible they may have never experienced the lifting of a single veil.

    Allah knows best
     
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  12. ImdadKun12786

    ImdadKun12786 New Member



    List the ways in which Dawateislami as a Tehreek isn't perfect?
    One thing as a Tehreek which is opposite to the shariah?
     
  13. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    This is the same stuff we find in Hamza Yusuf, Yaqoubi, Jifri, and co, they associate themselves with true men like shaykh ahmad Habbal, shaykh abdurahman shagouri, shaykh murabit al haaj, and sayyidi shaykh shukri etc then the lay people become confused and find it really difficult to digest that they can even error. Saqib shami is going down the exact same road. It would be injustice if I never mentioned Mr tahir qadri he too used the likes of qazmi shah sahib and other prominent awliya and ulema in pakistan and the Arab world as a spring board for his fame and recognition.
     
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  14. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    Beghayrati is the absence of ghayrat. Beghayrati is being a cult leader. Beghayrati is being a child and making elders kissing your hands. Beghayrati is being chalak. Beghayrati is thinking that you don't have to answer objections made upon you. Beghayrati is thinking and making yourself untouchable.
     
  15. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    Someone who does not have any gherati.
     
  16. Haqbahu

    Haqbahu Veteran

    I dont know what you mean with begherati (maybe you can explain that), but I agree with the rest of your post.
     
  17. Abu al-Qasim

    Abu al-Qasim Active Member

    No, as trimming the beard to less than a fistful, according to the Ahnaf is open fisq. And a genuine pir cannot be a fasiq e mu'lin. I have never heard his evidences for the permissibility of trimming the beard to less than the prescribed length. Though one of his murids did once tell me that Saqib Shami Sahib's shaykh Mufti Manzur Ahmad Fayzi (rahimahullah) instructed him to trim his beard to this length, in order to be able to better give da'wah to those in the west. However, I find this very hard to believe, as Mufti Sahib penned a lengtht book on the virtues and prescribed length of the beard in the shari'ah, by the name of 'Islam aur Darhi' (Islam and the Beard). Mufti Sahib also states that it is fisq to trim it to less than a fistful therein. I have a lot of difficulty believing Mufti Sahub ('alayhi al-rahmah) would instruct his khalifah and murid to commit fisq. Mufti Sahib was a great 'alim and wali and person who was beloved to Huzur Mufti e A'zam Hind.
     
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  18. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    A few observations:

    Firstly, when has being Sahih al-Aqida and an "Alim" been a valid reason Begherati?

    Also, do you have the knowledge to discern between an individual with Sahih Aqida and an individual with Batil Aqida?

    Let me take you guys down Memory Lane... Wasn't there a guy called Asim who recently challenged Wahhabis to a Mawlid debate and then made Sunnis look like a laughingstock? Well, that all happened because of people like you who makes non-Ulama into Ulama, and non-Pirs into Pirs. he same happened with Asim, people allowed Asim to do what he wanted and gave him the green light for everything because he was "Sahih al-Aqida".
     
  19. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    is brother Saqib a genuine peer ?
     
  20. Ikhwaan

    Ikhwaan New Member

    A candle may benefit by giving light but burns itself in the process.

    Brother Saqib (May Allah bless him) may have sahih aqida but it does not give him the right to sit in the place of a scholar. We should be mindful of who we show as our leaders. Yes he is a muslim brother with the correct aqida (as far as i know) and we love him for that BUT, NO HE DOES NOT REPRESENT US IN THE TRUE COLOURS. The brothers on this forum who have studied the blessed life of sarkaar Alahazrat (Radi Allahu Anhu) shall definitely understand this point.

    I hope the brothers understand that i am only making this point out of love and affection for Ahlus sunnah and not to ridicule Janab Saqib Sahib (May Allah grant him happiness)

    Waslaam
     
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