does atabek deny "Divine Anger" or 'ghaDab'?

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  1. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    A. Those (the Muslims) who fear that Day, and the wrath of Allah, will be safe:
    لَا يَحْزُنُهُمُ الْفَزَعُ الْأَكْبَرُ وَتَتَلَقَّاهُمُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ هَٰذَا يَوْمُكُمُ الَّذِي كُنتُمْ تُوعَدُونَ
    [Ambiya 21:103] The greatest fear will not aggrieve them, and the angels will welcome them; saying “This is your day, which you were promised.”

    The donkey does not fear that day!

    B. And those who deny it will bray like donkeys in hell:-
    لَهُمْ فِيهَا زَفِيرٌ وَهُمْ فِيهَا لَا يَسْمَعُونَ
    [Ambiya 21:100] They will bray in it and not be able to hear anything in it.

    فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ شَقُوا فَفِي النَّارِ لَهُمْ فِيهَا زَفِيرٌ وَشَهِيقٌ
    [Hud 11:106] So those who are ill-fated, are in the fire - they will bray like donkeys in it.

    Donkeys on earth will remain as donkeys in hell.
     
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  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    an apology to brothers/sisters who need translation of the below verses. at this time, it is too late in the night - and i haven't added translations of those verses. in sha'Allah, i will do - but i have linked them and referenced them - so you can help yourselves in the meantime.

    wa billahi't tawfiq.
     
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    pseudo maturidis take note:

    imam maturidi himself in his ta'wilat ahl al-sunnah, v10-p527-528 says:

    maturidi,10-528.jpg
     
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    now, atabek the donkey - given his phenomenal ignorance may not know it. but muslims know that there is a surah in the qur'an named "al-qiyamah" meaning judgement day. of course, atabek might have never read it - and if he did, he would not have understood it. else, what explains such stupid comments about Divine Anger on that day?

    the donkey says:

    so in this surah al-qiyamah Allah sub'Hanahu wa ta'ala says:

    qiyama.jpg


    and then there is surah naba'a which talks of the day of Judgement:

    nab1.jpg


    until about that day, Allah ta'ala says:

    nab'a 2.jpg


    sub'HanAllah, of that Day, Allah ta'ala warns:

    nab3.jpg

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    and what about surah takwir?


    takwir.jpg


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    the meaning that "Divine Wrath on that Day (of Judgement) is most fierce" is mutawatir by meaning - numerous verses of the Qur'an and many hadith eventually imply that. making fun of it and calling it 'lies' and even claiming that it is an "insult to God". al-iyadhu billah.

    dunno which religion atabek follows.

    people think i lost my cool for no reason - but obviously, they don't see that the zindiq is attempting to hack at your most fundamental concepts. without fear of Allah ta'ala, you will be like him - al-iyadhu billah - a donkey that brays things against islam without fear of Divine Retribution.

    didn't Allah ta'ala send the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam as a "Warner", nadhir? "warner" of what?

    Allah ta'ala says that he will punish on that day like never before:

    fajr,v25.jpg

    according to atabek the donkey, this is lies, fabrication and "insult to God". [al-iyadhu billah]
    i won't simplify it further for you, but hopefully you can put two plus two together and arrive at the conclusion, what it means.

    now, what is the donkey braying about?

    نسأل الله العافية

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    my regards to all those prudent muftis, teachers, students, along with idiots and etc. who, i hear are getting all upset over takfir. let them keep their ihtiyat in their pockets and sleep soundly, when atabeck is committing his robbery at high noon.
     
  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i am sorry brother, i am not interested in your opinion. don't mistake me, but i don't want your guesstimate of the donkey's braying.

    i would like to hear from the donkey's mouth what is he firing at.

    also, please learn to appreciate context. don't let this "adab" "consideration" blind you from the bleedingly obvious: the donkey is not only insulting islam and its tenets, but trying to hack at our fundamental beliefs.

    he is a stooge.
     
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  6. izz al-Din

    izz al-Din Well-Known Member

    Is it possible he is talking about Judgement Day, particularly?
    (As for the corrobative, for Ghadhab, has been mentioned by us), is he saying it is not mutawatar lafzi ?
    Does that mean, he may deny, beliefs such as punishment of the grave?
     
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    now what is atabek the donkey braying about?
     
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  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this particular verse talks of apostasy.

    naHl, v106

    s16v106.jpg
     
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  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

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    nur, v9
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    shuraa, v16 [atabek! take note and fear Allah]

    s42v16.jpg

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    fat'H, v6

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    mujadilah, v14


    s58v14.jpg

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    mumtahanah, v13

    s60v13.jpg

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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    now as you know atabek the donkey made fun of a hadith and its wording. i was really surprised why he made fun of that word. for those who came in late: here is atabek's mockery:


    i was wondering why atabek calls this idiotic. just why?

    i am puzzled whether this mutazili denies it; because the qur'an already tells us of Divine Anger or GhaDab. [i would start with the first chapter that mentions the مغضوب but that is implied ghaDab and not expressly stated. wa billahi't tawfiq]. then what is he cribbing about?

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    baqarah, v61

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    aal imran, v113

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    nisa'a, v93

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    mayidah, v60

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    a'araf, v152

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    anfal, v16

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    ta-ha, v81

    s20v81.jpg

    ta-ha, v86

    s20v86.jpg

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