Imam Ijaz Shaami & Shias and Eidgah ?

The questions are out now. Its likely they will be brought to the attention of the said Imams and we hope they will respond and provide clarifications.

It's unfair to chase any particular individual to provide clarifications/ statements from any of the Ulama. Even if someone has promoted any scholar in the past Who knows maybe they are / were unaware of any such issues.

 

"I do not endorse hugging clowns like the shia Pir from London, do not pray behind deobandis nor endorse it."

Thank you brother Harris for the above clarification, see it didn't hurt

Can Molvi Ijaz provide the clarifications brothers have requested earlier, in a similar way???

Many brothers here have claimed to be aware of these issues for a number of years, however unfortunately nothing has been done. Hence they are raising it here again.

I have been informed by reliable sources that Molvi Ijaz's father has been attending private gatherings organised by PAQs close allies for PAQs. Molvi Ijaz's father also personally asked certain Mosque management committee members to not allow HAQ CHAAR YAAR conferences in the Mosque. These can be named privately if required.

I have been reliably informed by a Black Country resident PIR that Molvi Ijaz's father never completed his Hifaz.

 

Ma sha Allah brother Harris. all I'm saying is think hard before you slander the Sunni Ulama. Even after the clarification - Now that you've upheld these claims u can either stand by them or you can retract them. Otherwise u have landed yourself in some serious trouble.

If anyone wants any clarifications then see the man himself - i am not a spokesman for any of the Ulama past or present.

What is the point of spreading all this confusion and doubt? Why raise these issues when they have nothing to do with the topic at hand? This is exactly the sort of behaviour that's dividing and causing internal warfare.

Btw u failed to answer my q's nevermind - you did however successfully manage to divert the attention away from the sticky patch you found yourself in.

 

Brother Ghulam Ali when did Pir Sahib write this book and when was it published?

The chronology of Pir Naseer’s stances seem murky to say the least.

Pir Naseer ud Din was uttering his Shia Tafzili views in the summer of 2007 in Birmingham and also went further at HSBT on the same issue



Also listen at 12.30 when he speaks about Ameer e Shaam



Mawlana Saeed Asad on Pir Naseer



A young Pir Syed Irfan Shah Sahib are talking about their relationship with Pir Naseer and the video appears it was before 2007



Maybe Shah Sahib was not aware of Pir Naseer’s views or was and used his wisdom to win him over to the ahl Sunnah. Allah grant us all husnul khatimah

I will not be posting on this thread no more and for the sake of clarity I do not endorse hugging clowns like the shia Pir from London, do not pray behind deobandis nor endorse it.

The likes of Mufti Abu Bakr Shazali have been vocal on rebuking Sunni Ulama who are promoting Aamir Liaquat in Pakistan and if he can be made aware to advise his friend Shami Sahib from Dudley.

Also the likes of Allama Rasul Baksh Saeedi and senior Ulama (if we have any left) should mentor the likes of Imam Ijaz and his other students as some are going as far as saying the Barewli / Deobandi is an internal problem amongst the ahl Sunnah. They talk about identity crisis amongst the youth but have the biggest identity crisis themselves.

 

Brother Harris although we shouldn't be diverting from the topic I will clarify for ur benefit and others who may have misconceptions.

After Pir Syed NaseerUddin Naseer sahib passed away Qibla Pir Syed Irfan Shah sahib appeared on a program on Ummah Ch and gave the reference of a book written by Pir Syed NaseerUddin Naseer in which they outlined their beliefs which were 100% in line with AhleSunnat. I'm not sure but this was possibly the last book that Pir Sahib may have written before they passed away. I can't recall the name of the book but I'm sure if anyone needs clarification then Pir Syed Irfan shah sahib will happily provide it. If a Sunni Scholar is happy then who are we to pose questions. The onus is on those who doubt to provide evidence which will categorically prove what you are saying to be correct. Otherwise it's just doubts.

The second accusation you have made is still unanswered:

3. IF Shah Sahib's beliefs were not 100% in line with AhleSunnat then pls demonstrate how Pir Syed Irfan Shah Sahib 'lavishly praised him KNOWING he was a blatant tafzili'

Best not to divert from the topic in future as it just puts everyone off especially whilst making random baseless claims about Sunni Shuyukh.

 

I was wrong to presume Sahzali123 was Irfan Irfani and apologise to him.

Shazali123 has claimed to be Shaykh Asrar’s student and that he has also been in contact with him regarding the events in Dudley, which has been denied by brothers Waqar786 and Moriatry on this thread. Shazali123 has also claimed he is a Murid of Shaykh Yaqoubi.


If Shazali123 is really serious, telling the truth and not doing this for a ‘laugh and joke’ he should reveal his real name and I am sure he can then be put in touch with Ijaz Shami to get to the bottom of the concerns he has raised.

My advice to myself foremost and secondly to the other brothers is to stop being petty and trying to get one over each other. There are better ways to be virtual soldiers like catching monsters with Pokemon.

Brother Ghualm Ali, I do not know if the Pir died with the same beliefs on Tazfil that are echoed in this clip and others on youtube.



If he did renounce these beliefs can anyone provide details.

 

Brother pls don't make such statements unless you can prove them beyond any doubt whatsoever. Otherwise you are crossing the boundary between a 'laugh and a joke' and stepping into some real dodgy grounds. Regarding the above can you pls provide proof and evidence for the following questions

1. How do you know this is Irfan Irfani
2. How do you know that Pir Syed NaseerUddin Naseer Shah Sahib alayhirRahmah died with the beliefs of a 'Blatant Tafdhili'
3. IF Shah Sahib's beliefs were not 100% in line with AhleSunnat then pls demonstrate how Pir Syed Irfan Shah Sahib 'lavishly praised him KNOWING he was a blatant tafzili'

Pls provide Evidence and proof which leaves no room for anyone to disagree with your claims. Not hearsay chitchat
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It is simply not a case were the Salam just isn't read on Fridays. In fact some years ago an initiative was taken to start this ... But disallowed! Make of that what you will.

 

Harris Khaliq why are you making this personal?

Tafzili?

 

The only civilised solution to this issue is If any sincere individual wants clarification on the issue they are most welcome to visit Imam Saab directly at Netherton Masjid any weekend from 11-2 and get clarification directly or on Wednesday at the weekly Gathering of HOPE which takes place every Wednesday at 8PM at Sultan Bahu Masjid Birmingham,

This is also the Islamic way, if we are sincere for the Maslak and the Deen we must approach the person in subject directly in the first instance.

It is now pointless continuing on this thread so if you have a problem or an issue be a real man and come see imam saab directly.

wasalam.

 

HUH! Shia gatherings? Please show me which mehfil arranged by a Shia Allama Azmi attended?

Personal grudges? Now you've lost me. I don't have any grudges against Imam e Prison.

Did you just say Pir Naseer ud Din Naseer was a tafzili?

Once again deviating from the topic, if you want to discuss where or what Allama Saab did why not discuss it on the thread you pasted link for? Not sure what your aim is bringing such matter up in this thread when its clearly about Molvi Ijaz, my brother maybe you can clarify?

p.s. its one thing attending a mehfil where a shia is present and its another thing hugging him and kissing his hand as Molvi Ijazs father did.

 

Amar Zain your own Pir has been to the shia pir's gatherings and his fellow World Islamic Mission scholar can be seen kissing his hands

http://sunniport.com/index.php?thre...reen-meet-in-hounslow.11788/page-2#post-46986

Let us not play games based on personal grudges. The likes of Allama Azmi, Hafiz Inayat and others who are seen with him are all responsible for their actions and as community leaders and Imams need to clarify themselves.

Irfan Irfani/Shazali123 your Pir has been at the forefront refuting shia pir from London. He remained silent on Pir Naseer even lavishly praised him knowing he was a blatant tafzili.

http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/ijmaa-and-abu-bakrs-superiority-in-the-ummah.6556/#post-18563

Allah keep us steadfast on the ahl Sunnah and away from all deviants, Ameen

 

If Irfani and Shadhili could maybe take this to a private chat so this topic is not diverted.

Harris Khaliq we are still waiting.

I hope Imam Ijaz did not try to convince Mawlana Aqdas to delete the thread whilst visiting him today.

 

LOL! I'm the mureed of Shaykh Muhammad al Yaqubi and I think you have your wires crossed. Mistaken identity. Why don't you answer the points raised rather than labelling blames @ others.

Also speak directly with the person your referring to if you have any issues with them.

I have raised 3 points and Mr Shaami has failed to answer them.

Please prove me wrong on these points.

Mr Shaami the truth hurts.

 

This picture is from last year. I was also sent a few pics but I had no reason to start posting such pictures.

Now that you have, this is a huge concern, theres also one of Imam e Prisons father kissing PAQs hand!

I'm sure @Harris786 is well aware of these pictures as Ive been told there was a huge hoo haa on facebook with him and some tafdilis when pictures came to light.

It might be true that the brother specifically hasn't spoken to anyone in the Dudley area BUT there is no doubt that the issue was raised with Imam Saabs father 3/4 years ago and nothing came of it.

I think the topic is being diverted to who knows who, we should stick to the topic at hand.

What brother @Waqar786 hits the nail on the head.

 

THE TRUTH BEHIND SAHDILII

Sahdili, all your claims are completely baseless against Imam Ijaz Shaami and his respected father, you have not provided any substantial evidence, you have NEVER spoken to Imam Sahib nor has any body else in the Dudley area regarding your baseless allegations simply because the issues you raised are nothing but lies.

I MUST ALSO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR SHAYKH ASRAR OR ANY OTHER ENGLISH SPEAKING SUNNI ALIM E DEEN HAS NOT BEEN CONSULTED BY YOURSELF REGARDING THESE FALSE ALEGATIONS,

Yet once again you continue to lie, you are NOT Sh Asrar's student, let me remind you who your teachers are:

1) Qari Qayyum Sahib from who you studied nazrah Quran who now is the Imam at The masjid in question

2) Allama Hamid Qudoos Hashmi (Imam Sahibs Brother in Law)your Arabic grammar teacher who you studied with for just under 6 months and then dropped out as Sarf and Nahv was to difficult for you

3) Mufti Gul Rehman Qadri who you would visit once in a while to learn the fara'id of Wudu, Gusl etc and due to the old age and no committed students Mufti saab stopped teaching.

Shadillii ! The above information and my user name is sufficient for you to understand that your hidden identity now has been disclosed so I suggest that you stop this childish behaviour and utilise the time you spend on this respected forum in cleansing your heart from hatred, jealousy and seeking tawba for your immature actions.

Hence I must agree, you are a complete and a confirmed troll, it only took 2 days to get to the bottom of this issue, may Allah guide you to the straight path.

Finally moderators should take note of this individual its haters like this that make such a beautiful forum look stupid.

May Allah protect the integrity of our respected ullama and may HE keep us all guided and firm on the path of our pious Salf.

 

To all those who use MawAlana Asrars name go fight your own battles within yourself. I know for sure Asrar will be saying go sit down and study.

Namaz roza karo Allah Thai Nabi Pak sallAllahu Salaam Ki yaad karo aye drama band karo.

The forum is fast becoming a hate preaching breeding ground. Do something constructive.

 

This is circulating around. I think this is Imam Ijaz's father with Pir Abdul Qadir.

Harris I repeat.

Unlike normal situations on Sunniport, we actually have access to you. You are Imam Ijaz's best friend and a person who has assisted him in organising events and a person who has managed his bookings for events as you have stated many times on Social media . It is highly unlikely that you cannot get an answer for us. You are also responsible to get an answer for the Facebook world because you have been his main promoter in the UK.

I also sincerely ask why you have not approached all of the scholars that you have questioned? or is just about satire and cheap entertainment?