Akram Nadwi Tragicomedy #4

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  1. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    this is the same Ayah that they stress upon to sway Muslims away from taqleed; at that moment, it is not "shirk" for them.

    I wonder what fodder these madmen eat.
     
  2. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this i forgot to mention.

    the nadwi says:

    laa ilaaha illa Allah, laa ma'abuda illa Allah. there is no one to be vorshipped, no one to be obayed. no one we to listen, no one to be loved, other than Allah sub'hanahu wa ta'ala. all this things... [9.18] all our full loyalty, full love, and full obedience, they are, you know, completely for Allah sub'Hanahu wa ta'ala. no one can share that. that actually is the meaning of laa ilaaha illa Allah.

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    this is utter bilge. ma'abud means one who can be worshipped. where did he bring these additional definitions from?

    the qur'an says in many place. (belwo from aal imran, 3:132):

    aal imran 3_132.png

    obey ALlah and the Messenger...

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    according to nadwi, either the messenger is ma'abud or the qur'an commands to commit shirk (al-iyadhu billah).

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    no one can share love, obedience, loyalty.

    incredible how such ignorance is dished out and sheeple swallow it without a whimper. and what is more, 'academics' defend him!
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    yaqubi sahib is mesmerised by this moron.

    sad.
     
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    a brother sent me a link a while ago. i asked him vaat is it? he sed lizan it.

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    nadawi thinks Allah cannot create something for His own use and is compelled to follow the conventions of creation. al-iyadhu billah.

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    8.51
    the nearest word for the meaning of ilah can be ma'bud.

    laa ilaha illa Allah means laa ma'buda illa Allah
    (there is none worthy of worship except Allah).

    the nearest meaning for the Rabb can be 'ab', the father.
    similarly, the nearest meaning for the ilah can be ma'bud.

    laa ilaaha illa Allah, laa ma'abuda illa Allah.
    there is no one to be vorshipped, no one to be obayed. no one we to listen, no one to be loved, other than Allah sub'hanahu wa ta'ala. all this things...

    9.18
    all our full loyalty, full love, and full obedience, they are, you know, completely for Allah sub'Hanahu wa ta'ala. no one can share that. that actually is the meaning of laa ilaaha illa Allah.


    9.30
    He is the creator, He is the sustainer. and everything in this world has been created.
    so there is no possibility of any similarity. you know...you can bring the words, to explain the meaning of Allah sub'Hanahu wa ta'ala, the meaning of ilaah and His Attributes. but these words, they cannot do justice with Him.

    because all the human words, which made, they basically are for human convention, human use. you know whatever words. in any language, take any language, any word that you use, they are basic, those words which people need in that context. they use them.

    10.00
    when ALlah sub'Hanahu wa ta'ala wanted to reveal to the people His Attributes, He cannot create new dictionary for Himself. people will not understand. He has to use the human word. though human words, they are not made for Allah sub'Hanahu wa ta'ala. when those words are coming to the human language, they basically don't do justice to him.


    10.20
    the problem very often has been actually, you know, the peepul, when they read those words in the qur'an. or in the sunnah of the prophet sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam. and what Allah sub'Hanahu wa ta'ala; they vant to understand from those vords, vat people understand from their own language. these words basically are only indication. since there is no one similar to the creator, how there can be any meaning similar to the meanings of the creator. impossible.






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    all he is trying to say is that Divine Speech cannot be adequately explained in / translated to human speech.

    the fool puts constraints on Allah sub'Hanahu wa ta'ala instead of saying human mind is constrained; that human faculties are limited. that human mind works by example - and if you do not have a comparison, an example - words mean nothing. descriptions rely on examples and illustrations and thus connotations that words have, are related to examples the mind can relate to. since there is no similitude to Allah ta'ala, the words used to describe His Attributes are only to give you an idea what it could mean and can never adequately explain - as Allah ta'ala has no similitude. ta'ala Allahu `uluwwan kabeera.

    instead he puts the constraint on Allah ta'ala! that "He cannot create a dictionary for Himself"!

    i don't want to even discuss the finer points of words and sounds etc. because if the 'human words are not made for Allah ta'ala" then what kidn of 'words' are made for Him? (al-iyadhu billah).

    would anyone in their right mind recommend listening to this person explaining 'tawHid'? laa Hawla wa laa quwwata illa billah.

    go ahead fanboys, keep listening to this moron and remain stupid and ignorant the rest of your lives.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2018

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