I haven’t checked this forum in a long time. I saw this and felt a need to respond. It’s best if you ask someone like brother Abu Hasan or others.
I agree with you 100% i.e. their approach using Ahadith compiled by Sahabis to refute the same Sahabis is inherently wrong. For e.g 1)The Rawaidh use of mentioned Ahadith, because according to them it builds a case against Sahabis. 2)These ahadith are authentic i.e. the chains of narrators are trustworthy,truthful & upright muslims. 3)The tawil of Rawafidh of these ahadith and their approach "try" to "undermine" the sahabis and in turn the chains of narrators which leads to 4) falsifying the ahadith (according to their approach) and ultimately 5)destroying their claims. (This is known as contradiction stemming of external critique). In their attempt to decieve, they may say "We don't deem these ahadith authentic, but sunnis do. So what we are showing is that the contradiction exists (internal critique) within sunnis worldview if they hold the ahadith to be authentic and the Sahabis to be trustworthy, truthful and upright muslims at the same time" When they say this, we need to show their tawil of these ahadith is wrong. They can't enforce their tawil over ours because they are talking about our world view so they would be forced to adopt our methodology to interpreting these ahadith and not theirs. Brother Hadi, would you be kind enough to give a brief summary (in your own words would suffice as well) of the commentary of the sunni scholars regarding these ahadith. Jazak Allah.
A simple refutation of this “argument” is that the Quran was compiled by these same people. So were the books of ahadith (by the students of the students of the Sahabah) So if the majority were deviant then how can the Rafidis trust these sources? And how has the correct message reached them? Following their logic, one would have to agree with the Orientalists and enemies of Islam. This claim of theirs is absurd and self refuting. As for the correct interpretation of these ahadith, you can check any Sunni commentary. Like Imam Nawawi or Imam Ibn Hajar
Aoa Brothers, Recently i came across an article by Kafir rafidis "trying" to prove using quotes from Sahih Bukhari that majority of companions (May Allah be pleased with them all) deviated from the truth (Astagfirullah.Wal-`iyadhu billah.) after passing away of the noblest and greatest of all prophets, Mohammad (Peace be upon him). Kafir Rafidi quotes the following ahadeeth: Narrated ibn Abbas: The Prophet (saw) said, "You will be gathered (on the Day of Qiyamah), bare-footed, naked and not circumcised." He then recited: "As We began the first creation, We, shall repeat it: A Promise We have undertaken: Truly we shall do it." {21.104} He added, "The first to be dressed on the Day of Qiyamah, will be Ibraheem (a.s), and some of MY COMPANIONS will be taken towards the left side (i.e. to the Fire), and I will say: 'MY COMPANIONS! MY COMPANIONS!' It will be said: 'They renegade from Islam AFTER YOU LEFT THEM.' Then I will say as the pious slave (i.e. Isa (a.s)) said. 'And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them. When You took me up You were the Watcher over them, And You are a witness to all things. If You punish them. They are Your slaves And if You forgive them, Verily you, only You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.'" Saheeh Al-Bukhari # 3349. Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: The Prophet (saw) said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar) and some men amongst you will be brought to me, and when I will try to hand them some water, they will be pulled away from me by force whereupon I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' Then the Almighty will say, 'You do not know what they did after you left, they introduced new things into the religion after you.'" Saheeh Al-Bukhari. Pg. # 1747, H. # 7049. Narrated A'isha: I heard the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, saying WHILE HE WAS IN FRONT OF HIS COMPANIONS: "I will be YOUR predecessor at the Lake-Fount, expecting whosoever FROM AMONGST YOU will meet me. By Allah (swt)! Some persons will be cut away from me, and I will, as a result say 'O my Lord! They are from me, and from my Ummah.' Allah (swt) will say, 'Verily, you do not know what they did after your death. They did not cease to turn back upon their heels.'" Source: Saheeh Muslim. Pg. # 1087, H. # 2294 / 28. Narrated Anas b. Malik: The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Some persons from amongst THOSE WHO ACCOMPANIED ME will meet me at the Lake-Fount. I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be blocked away from me. I will say: 'O my Lord, THEY ARE MY COMPANIONS! THEY ARE MY COMPANIONS.' It will be said to me: 'You do not know what INNOVATIONS they introduced after your death.'" Source: Saheeh Muslim. Pg. # 1090, H. # 2304 / 40. Narrated Hudhayfah: The Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "I will be your predecessor at the Lake-Fount, waiting for you. Verily, SOME OF YOU will be brought to me, and I WILL RECOGNISE THEM. Then, they will be blocked away from me. I will say, 'O my Lord! THEY ARE MY SAHABAH! THEY ARE MY SAHABAH!' It will be said, 'You do not know what INNOVATIONS they introduced after your death.'" Source: Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal. Vol. 38, Pg. # 363, H. # 23337. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "I will be your predecessor at the Lake-Fount, and whoever will pass by there, he will drink from it and whoever will drink from it, he will never be thirsty. There will come to me SOME PEOPLE WHOM I WILL RECOGNISE, AND THEY WILL RECOGNISE ME, but a barrier will be placed between me and them." Aboo Hazim added: Al-Nu'man b. Abi Ayyash, on hearing me, said, "Did you hear this from Sahl?" I said, "Yes." He said, "I bear witness that I heard Aboo Sa'eed Al-Khudri saying the same, adding that the Prophet (saw) said: I will say: "They are of me." It will be said, "You do not know what they CHANGED (in the religion) after your death." I will say, "Woe (suhqa) to those who changed (in the religion) after my death." Saheeh Muslim. Pg. # 1082, H. # 2290 / 26. The Kafir Rafidi then states: Starts here: Thus it is clear that these individuals were from amongst those who accompanied the Prophet (saw) during his lifetime. This hadeeth from Al-Bukhari illustrates that it is but only the companions whom match the description. It shows how they possessed good qualities of a Muslim prior to the Prophet (saw) death, which is why Allah (swt) will deem them punishable for what they did after him (saw). Therefore, it is evident that there is absolutely no doubt in regards to the authenticity of the hadeeth. We shall now highlight three very clear noteworthy points, which are that: These people were from the companions of the Prophet (saw). He said "some of you" while addressing them. The Prophet (saw) recognises them. This evidences the fact they that they were his close companions, since these people were very familiar to him. He called them his companions, confirming that indeed they were. These people recognise the Messenger of Allah (saw), and he recognises them and it is only his Sahabah whom match this description. Moreover, they were once good followers of the Prophet (saw) during his lifetime which he will testify to by saying, "they are of me." The Prophet (saw) will then be informed that these people changed things in the religion after his death. As a result, the Messenger (saw) will curse them and banish them to the blazing fire. One must note of course, that they could not have changed after his (saw) death unless they were righteous during his lifetime! The above Hadeeth are mutawatir, having been narrated by ten companions, and several more. It therefore cancels out any Hadeeth, fatwa or opinions on the companions. No other hadeeth concerning them is mutawatir. As such, the correct Islamic position about the companions is that most of them changed to something other than was expected by the majority of Muslims even at present after the Prophet's (saw) death. They introduced several blasphemous innovations in to the religion whereby some of these innovations were tantamount to apostasy. It is not us who are condemning these companions to the Hellfire but the Prophet (saw) himself for their Bid'ahs. Since they were once good believers during the Prophet's (saw) lifetime, the Prophet (saw) will initially testify for them, but it shall avail them naught. Ends here Wal-`iyadhu billah. I humbly request the knowledgable brothers on this forum to refute this Kafir's argument. Jazak Allah.
