Recklessness and Ignorance (Jahalat) of a Mutasawwif

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  1. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    Isn't 'mufti' Muneebur Rehman the same person who a few years ago was pictured praying behind a deobandi? (and some people declare him the grand mufti of Pakistan)

    Anyway these 'Peeri' khanqahs are more like a kingdom. Father gains thousands of followers, fame, and money, and then this gets passed down by him to his son (sajjada in Peeri terms). Shouldn't it rather be the one who is more on the path of the shariah? You can see an example up here in UK with the late Alauddin Siddiqui sahib and his son who has now automatically inherited the Peeri!

    One just needs to read about how spiritual successors were chosen in the past for all the great Awliya and Mashaikh to understand the ignorance prevalent today!
     
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    he's a spoilt rich shaykh-zada whom "mufti" muneebur rehman can't speak against. he has no knowledge on him. he wouldn't know of tahir's heresies.

    Islam in pakistan has become a career.

    you work in corporate - you wear a suit and a tie, speak a certain lingo, hang out in certain crowds, attend certain events, etc.

    you work in Sunni Islam - you keep a beard, wear an imama & sherwani/thobe, attend naatkhwanis & bayans (on fazail of awliya) abundantly, hang out with a certain crowd, etc.

    either way you make sure you use the people at the lower end of the ladder.
     
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    so he remains a cheerleader of a mini-dajjal.
    la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.

    this puke worthy praise of tahir is probably to spite sunnis. and a threat that he is taking his business elsewhere. i think more than retraction, this is a political 'realignment'.

    like all politicians, they are finding allies and hence changing their ideologies.

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    you will be humiliated like the mubtadiy Dall kazzab that you have praised.
     
  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    But he didn't withdraw support of tahirul. This video is from dec 2019

     
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the deobandi morons should say:

    "in ko dekho, ye khud ke logon ko bhi nahin mu'af karte. deobandi to apnon ki badi badi ghalatiyan chupadete hain - ye to apnon ki laghzishon ko nahin chhor te."

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    Allah ki maar nahin ta'yeed e ilahi aur Haqq goyi hai. hai tum meiN dum Haq ke liye apnon ka bhi radd karne?

    Allah ta'ala ke fazl se.
     
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  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    one respectable scholar i know said the problem is we are not in khayrul quroon and we have more dire needs to look for maslaha for the common man. devbandi shayateen say things like "in par Allah ki maar hai. inhone kal humare akabireen ki takfeer ki, aur aaj aapas mein ek doosre ki takfeer kar rahe hain" and innocent people fall for it. it's becoming an uphill battle explaining to the masses that that in fact says 2 things

    1. not all those who claim to be from us, are from us
    2. we don't care for anyone or anything other than the manhaj of Ahlus Sunnah

    some of it is true though where some peers and/or mureeds are lost in pulling each other down based on envy or love of the world or furoo3i issues.

    Allah help us.
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    oh yes.

    he's not being nice or mellow at all. this is the same speech i heard.

    some people's objection is that he hasn't called him out by name as he did with Akmal sahib.

    irrelevant imo, 'coz he (Shah sahib) highlights clearly the aberrations floating on social media, he mentions the 1 arab rupees marriage, the Umrah tickets and faaren visas (i think), he says 'you're rich and powerful we can't fight you really, but we will call you out and defend our aqidah and manhaj as that's not your fiefdom'. i mean he seriously leaves no doubt about whom he's talking.

    he (Shah sahib) does issue a warning, 'this time we haven't publicly named you. if you don't do ruju3 and continue this mess, next time we're gonna name you too' (listen to the full audio)

    people don't see this as an equal opportunity harshness of Shah sahib. plus i think he cussed Akmal sahib or something, and not with this guy. (i didn't see the videos of that time)

    me too.

    i think not naming here is immaterial because Shah sahib drew a 100% accurate character sketch of the guy. as for not cussing him, it's not mandatory really. he was harsh as he should be and stuck to Sunni aqidah.

    i really hope that was a strong message to muneebur rehman and it hit home.
     
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    mutasawwif = those who claim to be sufis.

    i have changed the title.
     
    Last edited: Feb 24, 2020
  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    in a video i watched (shared by a brother), muzaffar shah sahib refuted him in his characterstic harsh style and is not being nice at all. i heard until 5 minutes so far but i agree with shah sahib and endorse it.

    the first few lines of shah sahib:

    main ne kaha pahle to ye saabit karle tu cheez kya hai?

    tum sirf visa lagwa sakte ho
    tum idhar ki udhar kar sakte ho
    safed ko kala kar sakte ho

    jin ko tum se gharz hai woh tum ko bitha kar kursi par bitha sakte hain

    hum ne tanzeemen banayi hi nahi taa ke tum jaison ko izzat dena na pade

    kitna bada mazaaq shariat e mutahhara ka...[couldn't hear well]

    ya jahalat khilaf e ahl e sunnat aqidah hai
    jis jaahil ko ye nahin pata ke fazilat aur afzaliyat kya hoti hai

    baat kar raha hai fazeelat ki, saabit kar raha hai afzaliyat

    main ne kaha pahle ilm hasil karo fazilat kya hai aur afzaliyat kya hai

    riwayat parh rahen hain fazilat ki istidlal kar rahe hain afzaliyat ka

    is fazilat ka to har sunni qaayil hai lekin afzaliyat abu bakr al-siddiq ki hai

    lihaza main akhlaqi ihtijaj un doston se bhi karta hun ke ayson ko izzat dena hai to phir hum se tawaqqu e neki na rakhna. ayse logon ko dena hai jo subah shaam ahl e sunnat ka mazaaq uDa rahe hain - agar unko bula kar sanad dena hai to phir hum se ummeed e khayr na rakh na.

    kyun ke hubbu fillah bughDu fillah. aap ko chahte bhi dil se hain nafrat bhi dil se karenge.

    is par hum online ihtijaj karte hain. ye ghalat huwa aur jab tak woh banda tawba na kare aap usko izzat nahin de sakte.

     
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  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    we don't care how many and how big group of juhala break away from our jamaat because we speak the truth. truth must be told, unvarnished, and plain - bitter as it is. we should harshly refute idiotic and abominable statements made by the arrogant young (and old) men.

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    wa billahi't tawfiq.
     
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  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    if that is true, then his arrogance has landed him in a place where only humiliation and disgrace awaits him. unless he repents.

    ghawth e aazam ka qadam is ki gardan par nahin hoga to phir kisi fasiq ke zeyr e qadam dabega. [al-iyadhu billah]

    shaakh par bayth ke jaD kaaTne ki fikr meiN hai
    kaheen neecha na dikhaye tujhe shajara teraa

    baaz e ash'hab ki ghulami se ye aankheN phirni
    dekh uDh jaayega eemaan ka ToTaa teraa

    نسأل الله العافية
     
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  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    isn't this guy and his father, perhaps who entered a house in the UK, imitating the fashion of hindu-kanwariyas setting out firecrackers and their jahil followers dancing and the like?

    what is this guy's qualification anyway? money?

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    people with lots of money also have lots of power.

    and this brings to our mind the hadith - that in end-times people will be given respect fearing their evil. logon ke sharr se darr kar unki ta'zim ki jayegi.

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    this is why the 'sahibzada' culture should be stamped out. they can be sons of great people but they themselves might be a disgusting lot.


    لئن فخرت بآبآء ذوي حسب
    لقد صدقت ولكن بئس ما ولدوا


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    having wealth and using it wisely in line with sunnah (i.e. in a manner that does not oppose the sunnah) is a person's private matter. flaunting wealth, show-off and using it to buy influence and using that influence to violate the sunnah is the manner and behaviour of qaarun.

    the qaaruns of our time should know what happened to qaarun.

    نسأل الله العافية


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    disgusting. cheap, gaudy and unislamic behaviour.

     
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  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i've been following this issue on a whatsapp group. if you have any clips on tawba, please upload them here

    "mufti" muneebur rehman, supposedly the head mufti of pakistan, supposedly "corrected" him. it is 16 minutes of fawning over this rich spoilt brat -



    apparently the ulema are cautious of going too hard on this guy coz he has tonnes of mureeds and antagonizing him will cause lots of innocent people to veer away from sunniyat because their beloved shakhsiyat has been called out. same reason some people apparently still dare not call out tahir!

    don't forget that him and his astana are incredibly rich. they hand out free Umrah tickets, can arrange visas for UK, Canada etc. and so on. so as some people are taught, we need to be mellow with the rich and famous. apparently, he spent 1 arab PKR (USD 6.5 million, approx.) on his wedding. it is tahriman makruh for most people in these times to call out sufis who blow up a few million dollars on their weddings on matters of aqidah (PS. i'm not getting into the guy's personal life. none of my business. only concerned with Sunni manhaj. the point is he isn't being called out because of his wealth and connections, as well as some people's purported maslaha that he has a huge following and alienating him means alienating that many people from real Sunniyat)

    on the other hand, even for Muzaffar Shah Sahib, people are questioning why his characteristic harsh style is not so obvious here as it was in the case of QTV's Akmal sahib.

    one thing you missed out, apparently he also said that Ghawth e A3zdham's foot isn't on his neck, it may be on other shuyukh's necks but not his, as he said (i heard this in Muzaffar Shah Sahib's speech)

    Allah help us.
     
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  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Mawlana Ghufran Mahmood Siyalwi

     
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  17. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    A few mistakes of Sahibzadah Hassan Haseeb ur Rahman:

    1. He sent damnation (la'nah) on those who believe in the kufr of Abu Talib. A major error as that includes major awliya of this ummah like Data Ali Hujwayri, Khwajah Baqi Billah and Pir Mihr Ali Shah to name but a few.

    2. He said Sayyidah Fatimah is superior to Sayyiduna Abu Bakr. A major error as it opposes the ijma'a of Ahl al-Sunnah and therefore innovation and that which takes one who believes it out of Ahl al-Sunnah. رضي الله عنهم.

    3. He praised Tahir ul. A major error as it's forbidden to praise people of innovation.
    He must do tawbah for all three public positions.

    I have heard his tawbah on a WhatsApp group for the first issue though it needs to be more public than that. I hope his followers don't follow his earlier words, i.e. sending damnation.
     

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