Dr Buti Refutes Imkan alKidhb

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Shaykh Asrar asked this question to Shaykh Buti in 2008.
     
  2. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

  3. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

  4. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Veteran

    https://web.archive.org/web/20100608232625/www.naseem-alsham.com/fatwa.php?CID=1&ID=2579


    نسب إلى فضيلتكم في أحد المواقع القول بأن الكذب في حق الله تعالى ليس مستحيلاً ذاتياً وأنه تحت قدرته. ولكنه تعالى أوجب على نفسه أن لا يكذب. وهذا القول ترجم إلى الإنكليزية ونريد أن نتأكد منكم مدى صحة نسبة هذا القول إليكم
    أجاب عنه: أ.د.محمد سعيد رمضان البوطي

    إن أحداً لم يوجه إليّ هذا السؤال. وأعتقد أن أحداً لم يواجهني ولن يواجهني بمثل هذه السفالة في السؤال.
    ليس في الناس من يجهل أن الكذب من الصفات الذميمة.
    وليس في المؤمنين بالله من يجهل أن الله متصف بصفات الكمال كلها ومنزه عن سائر صفات النقصان. وقدرته جل جلاله على شيء ما لا يعني بالضرورة إمكان اتصافه به. على أن قدرته إنما تتعلق بالممكنات ولا تتعلق بالمستحيلات.

    محمد سعيد رمضان البوطي
     
  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    so he's a deobandi. more of a deobandi than those tablighis who don't know the insults their elders wrote. if the management of ghamkol don't oust this deobandi, they should fear for their akhira.
     
  6. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Will this amjad say this at Ghamkol and defend these insults tomorrow night from the pulpit?
     
  7. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Amjad from Birmingham has texed a brother this today about the Deobandi insults

    'I dont believe they said them the way brillos have made it out

    Read faisla kun munazara,u will c wonders'
     
  8. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    'The Masjid was the vision of Hazrat Sufi Mohammed Abdullah Khan Sahib, Khalifah-e-Azam Darbar-i-Alia Ghamkol Sharif. It was built with his help, guidance, and supervision. The foundation of the Masjid was laid on 15th March 1992 by students of Dar Ul Uloom Islamia Rizvia (supplementary school) during the Holy month of Ramadan'

    http://en-gb.facebook.com/pages/Cen...rif-Birmingham-Events/172862942762516?sk=info

    The organiser has been going around mocking ala Hazrat and stating that he tampered with texts etc, stating he has no issue with the deobandi insults

    Sad that an institute aligning itself with Imam Ahmad Raza Khan allow him to organise an event. He should be summoned to Hazrat Sufi Saab and explain what he has been saying.

    He could admit that the above accusation is true or do taqiah and deny it
     
  9. Haqbahu

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  10. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    It's sad that there is a Urs being organised for the late Shaykh by a chap who is going around confused on the Imkan issue (he cannot make his mind up on the issue) and has also been trying to defend the deobandi insults.

    He is confused as Keller on the issue yet tries to insult ala Hazrat and call him a Takfiri. The idiot eats from Sunnis and takes a Salary from Sunnis yet calls them derogatory names

    I think he is trying to get back at a Sufi Tariqa in Birmingham who ousted his friends from their zawiya.
     
  11. abu nibras

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  12. abu nibras

    abu nibras Staff Member

    kaThin thi raah magar they charagh rahon par
    abhi hai paas sehar thodi door saath chalo !


    toilsome was the path, but for the lamps along the way
    the dawn is near, walk along ; a few more steps away
     
    Last edited: Jun 9, 2010
  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    difficult was the way, but there were lamps on the roads
    now the city is close, walk a little more with me.

    (quick rough translation)
     
  14. Haroon

    Haroon Guest

    Translation?
     
  15. abu nibras

    abu nibras Staff Member

    kaThin thi raah magar they charagh rahon par
    abhi hai paas sehar thodi door saath chalo !
     
  16. Haroon

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  17. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    Answer by Dr. Muĥammad, Saˆiid Ramađaan Al-Buuţiyy: No one has ever asked me about this, and I believe that no one has ever faced me, nor will anyone ever face me with such a despicable question.
    There is no one among the people that does not know that lying belongs to the category of lowly attributes. Moreover, there is no one among the believers in Allaah that does not know that Allaah is only attributed with complete perfection, and that He is clear of all attributes of flaw. Furthermore, something pertaining to the Power of Allaah does not mean it is possible that Allaah could be attributed with it. Finally, His Power pertains only to what is possible, and does not pertain to what is impossible.
    Muĥammad Saˆiid Ramađaan Al-Buuţiyy
     
  18. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  19. Ghulam

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  20. kattarsunni

    kattarsunni Veteran

    It has been attributed to your nobility on one of the many websites the saying that kidhb (lying) in the right of Allah Most High is not intrinsically impossible and it is under his power, but the Most High as obligated upon Himself not to lie. This attributed saying was then translated to English. We want to be certain from you regarding the authenticity of this attribution.

    DR BUTI REPLIES: Surely no one has made me aware of this question at me. And i beleive no one has or will ever direct this low stupid type of question.

    There is no one from the people except that he knows that lying is a despicable trait. And their is no one who beleives in Allah who is ignorant of the fact that Allah is described with attributes of perfection, all of them, and is free from the attributes of imperfection. His Power, Lofty and Sublime, on a thing with no necessary importance and the possiblity of describing Him with it. His Power is only connected to possibilities and not to impossibilities..
     

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