Fadak and khatā

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by AR Ahmed, Apr 4, 2023.

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  1. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    Upload it on Vimeo - it’s harder to remove.
     
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  2. Brother Barry

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    Didn't take long for that YouTube account to get shut down, must have touched a nerve for the mureed mafia to act so quickly. Good thing someone had downloaded a copy and forwarded it onto me.
     
  3. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I am also surprised why mashadi sahab's camp is quite and not shouting ghustakhi or answering to shia's press conference. kilab un naar have openly, in front of the press, rejected the sahabiyat and khlifat e rashidah of the three companions raDiyAllahu anhum, and denied that Zainab, Ruqayyah, and Umm Kulthoom radiyAllahu anhunna were prophet's daughters alihi salatu wat tasleem.
     
  4. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    Ulama of his own campa should file a FIR of 295c voilation and issue a fatwa e kufr on him as per his own usul because he has pronounced the very exact words for Umm al Mumineen, and Allahmah Ashraf ul Qadri sahab too has used the same word without any qualification while he was objecting on jalali sahab's statement.
     
  5. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Does anyone have any info if any delegation of scholars contacted Irfan Shah sahib re his allegations of kufr and out of Ahlus Sunnah on Jalali, the same way some scholars were enthusiastic to visit Jalali? I would expect scholars to think of Irfan Shah (if not the rest of that crew) well enough to perhaps at least hope for a rujoo3 from the bogus hukm. He can still maintain Jalali had bad adab but the fatwa itself is bogus.

    What abt if Irfan Shah and Muzaffar Shah sahib have been impacted by Muhaddithe Kabeer and other Barelwi scholars' statements- any info?
     
  6. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Veteran



    Jalili Sahibs father becomes tearful whilst hearing on stage of the shameful behaviour of his former student Irfan shah who made vile allegations upon him and his deceased wife (may Allah Almighty have mercy on her)
     
  7. Brother Barry

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    Seems like Irfan Shah has been caught out by his own methods. If I was a betting man I'd wager Raja Nabeel of Coventry won't be posting any 30 points against his Pir e Tareeqat Garbar e Shariat
     
  8. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

  9. Waqar786

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  10. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    Khanqah Ismailiayh.jpg
     
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  11. ghulam-e-raza

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  12. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Both Sayyid Tabbasum Shah Bukhari and Mufti Fazl Chishti have independently provided a detailed analysis of Tajdar-e-Golra's tasfia. Both tabsara videos are worth watching.
     
  13. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    some lucid explanations, this is a month old bayan, strange that was never mentioned.

     
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  14. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Well-Known Member

  15. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Mufti Sammar Abbas Attari exposing anti-Jalali camp and highlighting the issues that we have been discussing so hotly here. He lays to waste many of Mawlana Nabeel Afzal's defence. He also reveals how many of the so called 100+ fatwa signatories actually declined to sign or are now actively regretting being part of the circus.

     
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  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    actually that point is simply preposterous. khata in urdu/punjabi means error even in general understanding of people.

    what's the commonly used word in urdu/punjabi when you do an innocent mistake that has nothing to do with crimes or sins, like forgetting to wear a jacket on cold day, or getting some direction wrong and taking a right turn instead of left turn?

    in Arabic, istilahi meanings aside, even in common parlance it refers to unintentional errors and the connotations are even milder, to the best of my knowledge. no one even thinks of sin or crime. if your child doesn't use his toothbrush properly, you say he's doing a khata.

    try taking this matter to an Arab Ash3ari or Maturidi shaykh and ask him the toughest opinion of the fuqahaa on Dr. Jalali's utterance.

    besides, he didn't use the word khata unrestrictedly. he qualified it with "jis waqt maang rahi theen" even in the initial video, which means the khata is restricted to the action of asking. whether the event itself took place or not, or the strength of the sanad, and so on are beyond the point. even if the sanad is weak, the usage of khata is only restricted to the act of asking fadak in the context of the speaker's speech. so it can't possibly imply sin or crime given the overall context.
     
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  17. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Conducting sting using telephone call has now become latest fashion. Unsuspecting ulemas are called, confronted with loaded questions and recorded without permission.
     
  18. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I did not post the call, i just commented. people from both sides are calling ulama and trying to get answers to their interest. Ulama should be careful speaking over the phone on critical/disputed/hot issues, and if they do speak, there should be one answer whether in private or in public or on phone calls.
     
  19. ghulam-e-raza

    ghulam-e-raza Well-Known Member

    ممتاز الفقھا جانشین حضور
    صدرالشریعہ سلطان الاساتذہ امیر المؤمنین فی الحدیث محدث کبیر حضرت علامہ الشاہ مفتی ضیاء المصطفی صاحب قبلہ مدظلہ العالی سے کی گئی ٹیلیفونی گفتگو کو *بغیر اجازت نشر کرنے پر حضور محدث کبیر مد ظلہ العالی کا مسلمانان عالم کے نام ایک *اہم پیغام*

     
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    Noori Senior Moderator

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