Answering Objections about Mawlid - Mobile Graphics

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    one can abstain from arabic grammar and hadith commentaries as well, because they were not present in the first 3 generations.

    earliest pious muslims spent their day in and day out reading and teaching hadith - imam al-shafiyi is attributed with the following lines:

    كُلُّ العُلومِ سِوى القُرآنِ مَشغَلَةٌ
    إِلّا الحَديثَ وَعِلمَ الفِقهِ في الدينِ
    العِلمُ ما كانَ فيهِ قالَ حَدَّثَنا
    وَما سِوى ذاكَ وَسواسُ الشَياطينِ


    all kinds of knowledge other than the qur'an is exercise in futility
    except hadith and except fiqh (understanding of religion)
    knowledge is only that, when one says: "it was narrated to us"
    other than this, everything else is whispering of the devil.

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    their days were spent remembering the Prophet ﷺ at all times. so there was no need to highlight the month of his birth and the day of his birth - to remind muslims on their obligation of loving and obeying him.

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    a juzy'yyah in fiqh - that if a mufti is so inundated by questions, that he has no time to finish his work, he is exempt from the sunnah mu'akkadah even (except fajr).

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    alahazrat says: 'my current state and workload satisfies that condition - however, i do not omit sunan muakkadah'

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    so one cannot justify omitting sunan muakkadah looking at such a mufti's state (supposing he omits it).

    elaborating on that: are you doing everything the salaf did and abstain from everything they abstained from?

    and if 12 of your 24 hours are entirely compatible with the life of the salaf - you can probably make that claim. else, it is like a guy clean-shaven, who watches movies, hangs around with women, has basic idea of quran and hadith, cannot even pray properly - with tajwid and fully according to any one madh'hab - does a thousand haram or makruh tahrimi things; but when it comes to mawlid - he preaches on how we cannot do anything that the salaf did not!
    [disclaimer: this is not aimed @Aurangzeb - he has already clarified. this is about the 1001 deobandi/wahabi zayd and amr who pontificate on how mawlid was not celebrated by the salaf].

    in the developed world - 99% of restaurants and fast food companies use frozen chicken - predominantly machine slaughtered. few people worry about it - especially in the middle-east. but when it comes to mawlid - they talk as if this is the only thing that has remained at variance from the practice of the salaf.

    interest based trading and banking and mortgages and hundred other 'compulsions' of modern age? the salaf didn't face what we do.
    but when it comes to mawlid, did the salaf celebrate it?

    people build grand masjids - spending millions on decorations and furnishing. was this common among salaf? in fact, it is among portents of judgement day that muslims will decorate their masajid like the people of the book decorate their places of worship.

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    then comes delusions of grandeur.

    apparently present day mawlid deniers are more knowledgeable in hadith, and have more clarity about bid'ah and sunnah and are better in following the example of the salaf than people like imam abu shamah, imam subki and imam suyuti.

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    oh certainly. is it fard wajib or even sunnah of the salaf to read sirah works?

    can anyone live their whole life having read a single book of sirah or sat in a lecture about the biography of the Prophet ﷺ?


    as said above - how many waking hours did the salaf spend for religion, and in remembrance of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam - talking about him, discussing his life, thinking about his sunnah, and how many do you spend? if it is the same, your argument about the mawlid may be valid for those who do that.

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    the conclusion of devilish whispers in the above argument is - that a hadith of the Prophet ﷺ, that he commemorated it by fasting every monday - and the group of sahabah speaking about the great fortune of the Prophet's ﷺ coming - or the qur'anic verse of remembering the birth of Prophets alayhimus salam - or the injunction to celebrate the favours of Allah - is not enough. they need proof from the salaf for it!

    sub'HanAllah! that is to deny the expression of happiness on the birth of the Prophet ﷺ, they are willing to ignore proof from the qur'an and sunnah! as if every waking moment of the salaf was recorded - so let us turn this around. bring us proof from the spech of salaf that "celebrating mawlid is bidah."
     
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  2. Aurangzeb

    Aurangzeb New Member

    It would seem stronger evidence that if the earliest pious Muslims did something of religious observance, we should also do it or try to do and if they didn't do something then we don't need to do it either? Or put another way, if someone lives their whole life not having attended or celebrated mawlid, is this okay? Given mawlid is viewed as permissible then I would think abstaining would be okay?

    Unless there are matters which are practiced now that were not practiced by those earliest generations that are similar or more virtuous?
     
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    where is this rule of 'first three generations or bust' in the first three generations?
     
  4. Aurangzeb

    Aurangzeb New Member

    Are these the strongest evidences and arguments for the permissibility of celebrating the mawlid? Full disclosure, I hold the mawlid as permissible at the least.

    What if someone takes the view that the first three generations didn't celebrate mawlid of our prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم so they don't see it as necessary to do so without saying it is bidah or otherwise or they might say it is bidah hasanah. By celebrating mawlid they mean selecting a specific date/month in the calendar in preference over others not merely for convenience.

    Is there any evidence at all of any amongst the righteous first three generations that they did any spefic action with the intention of celebrating the birth of our Nabi صلى الله عليه وسلم or to express gratitude? An objection I've often heard goes something like this.

    We all agree that Quran, Sunnah and understanding of the Salaf is to be followed alongside the schools of the 4 imams.

    If there is no evidence for none of the aforementioned group doing any specific action to celebrate, commemorate express gratitude on the birth of our nabi صلى الله عليه وسلم then that means we somehow love the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم more than they did. We are doing something in addition to what they did but are leaving things which have clear text proofs like praying tahajjud.

    If mawlid was so beneficial to celebrate it would have clear text proofs and a long tradition right to the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم including clear and direct instructions from the prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم himself to celebrate it. There are none and the practice of the mawlid as it is commonly celebrated started much past the time of the salaf.

    For most of the people who present an argument like this, what I normally say is, of the all the mawlid gatherings I've attended or seen in multiple countries of peoples of many different ethnic backgrounds and cultures I have seldom seen anything but praiseworthy actions such as recitation of quran, poetry in praise of our prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, talks about his life, dua, zikr, salawat.

    If some day, mawlid gatherings become places full of the opposite of virtue and guidance, perhaps the ruling will change from permissibility.
     
  5. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Are these the highest res available?
     
  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    جزاك الله خيرا.

    Useful to share on WhatsApp, etc.
     
  7. abu nibras

    abu nibras Staff Member

    Ridawi Press - Phone friendly release to common objections on commemorating Mawlid.
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