Abu Layth insults Imam Nawawi

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  1. Ibn Rida Safdar

    Ibn Rida Safdar New Member

    Don't think he is alone.

  2. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Nechari Fitnah of modern times...
  3. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Muftis need to do their job and issue fatawa against this to safeguard Muslims.
  4. ahmedk

    ahmedk New Member

    These comments by Abu Layth the zindeeq are minor compared to the kufr he promotes.

    For example, he says Isa (alayhi salam) has a biological father. Yes, that is right, he denies that Isa (alayhi salam) had a virgin birth. Claims he was naturally conceived with Maryam and her husband Joseph (while simultaneously saying he only relies on the Qur'an).

    For example, watch this video (timestamp 1:14:30, watch until 1:31:00):

    "1:14:30 Did Jesus (a.s.) have a father?" in the above link, he talks about it for 15mins starting from that point.

    He has another video promoting this filth:

    He has many absurd statements, like claiming Muslims historically have a "difference of opinion" on the virgin birth, that Maryam is not referred to as "the virgin mary" in Islam. "No verse in the Qur'an says she had a virgin birth" etc

    He also denies the speaking in the cradle of Isa (alayhi salam):

    Anyone can see how ignorant he is.
  5. abu hamzah

    abu hamzah New Member

  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the emissaries of the prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam (the companions) are referred as: 'rasulu rasulAllah'

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    mawahib ladunniyyah, v2 p447

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    madariju'n nubuwwah, v2 p648 (farsi)

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    there are many other references, but i remember these very well; hence the quick post.
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  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    ok jazak Allah khayr. i took it in the sense he was deriding a prophetic statement. i take my words back. the jester isn't a murtad on that count, although i'm sure multiple rulings of multiple fuqaha will rule him a murtad on numerous other counts, such as declaring homosexuality permissible (if he did say it) or deriding 3ulama, making a mockery of religious knowledge and so on.

    is that also applicable to the urdu or farsi word "payghambar"?
  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    are you talking about: 'don't shoot the messenger'?

    he uses a phrase: 'al-rusul aaminah' and points to himself. this is not an issue. rusul/rasul used as a messenger, emissary. the issue is only if one uses the term rasulAllah for anyone other than the rusul (as prophets) that we know.

    also, this phrase is attributed to mawla ali, as in tarikh tabari, 4/444 (events of year 36AH):

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    jam al-jawamiy (suyuti, musnad ali) also quotes this:

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    Allah ta'ala knows best.
  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    just see 59:00 to 1:00:00
  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    and the worst of his insinuations is:
    imam nawawi dedicated his life for learning.

    imam subki said: 'one's eyes have not set on a person so god-fearing, pious, abstemious (zahid) such as imam nawawi - whether in wakefulness or in dreams.

    ibn al-attar, his student says: a prominent scholar and pious man said about him: when he was only seven years of age and it was the 27th of ramadan and his father was sleeping by his side who says: at midnight, he woke me up and said: "father, what is this light that has filled the house". we awakened the rest of the household, but nobody could see anything. then i realised that he had witnessed laylatu'l qadr.

    once when he was only ten years old, one of the awliya of that time who happened to live in nawa, shaykh yaseen ibn yusuf al-marakushi saw that children were forcing him to play with him. he would run away from them and cry because of their troubling him, yet would recite the qur'an in that state.

    [see minhaju's sawi, suyuti.]

    such a pious man, and this two-pence rapscallion makes fun of him saying he didn't marry because he didn't find women attractive. one feels like spitting on the rascal, but what use it is spitting on a pig, wallowing in filth?
  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    you can see that it is a lie.

    imam nawawi was asked about looking at young, good-looking boys. and he replied it is haram to look at them, except when there is a sharayi need such as treatment, etc.

    in the course of explaining why it is haram, imam nawawi says: "[looking at] such a boy is similar to [looking at] a woman; and some such boys are more beautiful than many women"

    M'ling razor (i.e. mayhem ajmal) says:

    where did imam nawawi say, what the lying rascal attributes it to him?

    where did he say: 'i find them attractive'?

    pure filth from nahiem ajmal's / M'ling's 'mind'.

    utter gutter wash, which is what he is probably gulping from that cup. yeeauck.
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  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    the scoundrel is just making up stuff. here is the snippet from imam nawawi's fatawa (which alHamdulillah, i first read 20 years ago and have browsed it every now and then).

    in short, imam nawawi ruled that looking at young boys whether out of sexual attraction or not, is not permitted. only if there is a need such as buying/selling, treating a sick boy etc. it is permitted to look at them. otherwise - arousal or not - one should not look at young boys.

    will in sha'Allah translate the whole thing. kinky ajmal slandered imam nawawi and made a mockery of the imam's memory. such scoundrels should be shunned and anyone who hobnobs with such trans-people (hyena-swine trapped in human body; perhaps this is M'ling, who probably escaped from dr. moreau's island...)


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  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i listened to 3-4 minutes, but how can you answer a filthy lying trans that he is (he is a filthy pig trapped in a human male's body).
    one shouldn't try to fight a pig in a filthy swamp; you will get dirty and the pig loves it.

    i fear that he will be further humiliated and may suffer a severe accident on that potty mouth of his, for insulting a waliyAllah like imam nawawi raDiAllahu anhu. he insinuates, makes fun of him and slanders the imam. he does not fear Divine Retribution, but i fear this time he has gone too far.

    may Allah deal with this scoundrel with His Adl. nas'alu Allaha al-aafiyah.

    first of all he is a shameless bald faced liar. everything he says about imam nawawi is from the store of his own kinky fantasies.

    like most students of deen, i too have a very high opinion of imam al-nawawi. i have read many of his books multiple times - i cannot recall the number of times i have read his arbayin, and many commentaries (by other ulama, though). his diligence, his taqwa, war'a and his ikhlaS is stuff of legends, and we should tell our children, in the hope that in sha'Allah, for the sake of his blessed shoes, they too become ulama and righteous muslims. indeed, there are many awliya and pious scholars in islamic history, and we respect all of them. however, i feel closer to some ulama than others, perhaps because of the bond of knowledge/books.

    when a guttersnipe rapscallion, wearing a razor insults the imam, i pray that his filthy tongue be slashed by the razor hung around his ignominous neck. la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.

    this potty mouthed rascal says - may Allah subject him to Divine Justice:

    qadi abu bakr ibn arabi and all these other great scholars, they were openly, including ibn Hazm, and all these people, the will openly boast about, like homosexual poetry and these were the people...either these people are deviants, and if they are then, there goes our tradition.[LAUGHS LIKE A MANIAC]

    because they are the authors, they wrote everything. right? because,

    look at imam nawawi.
    imam nawawi, writes in his fatawa book, i have got it right here, i have actually shown it...
    he writes, how he finds - his personal opinion - he says: it is [unquestionable]. he treats it like a fact. he says: 'fact'. [LAUGHS LIKE A MANIACAL RACOON GESTURING LIKE A MONKEY]

    that's a fact. he says that, teenage boys are much more beautiful than any woman on earth. this is what he writes. he says this is a known "fact". [not clear] kinda trump. [LAUGHS LIKE A MANIACAL RACOON, GESTURES LIKE A MONKEY]

    and he is treating it like a fact. and this is like we...you are thinking...eh...

    [winces and grimaces like proboscis monkey - rastapopoulos anyone? and guffaws like a racoon]

    what kind of women did he have around him? [MANIACAL LAUGHTER] he women like these big scruffy beards, [RACOON LAUGH, and GROWLS LIKE A DOG] cave-men-women [GROWLS LIKE A DOG] some of the neanderthal tribes had still survived on to imam nawawi's time. [GUFFAWS LIKE A DONKEY] and hence imam nawawi never got married. its like...

    and you know he writes in his fatwa; go to his fatwa book about the amrad, the boy, the kind of boy in his mid-teens, late teens, and that kind of, who hasn't fully developed a full beard, and stuff like that. and he says that: 'there is no doubt that the jamaal the beauty, out-does the beauty of any woman.

    and you think. you think well... ok..right..ok this is getting weird. [GUFFAWS LIKE A HYENA]. imagine, you are in his class, and you are in his class and he starts, and you are there because he has a commentary on sahih muslim. and you are there for the commentary and then he starts all of this, and you are like, [ROLLS HIS EYES] oh...okay sheikh, sheikh can we focus on the hadith? [WICKED LAUGHTER]

    but my point is - so unquestionable if he is finding young boys attractive. or like teenage boys. i am not saying...i am not saying he did something. i am just saying he is openly saying, he is not being shy about it. he is writing openly that yeah..they are more..in fact, they are not only beautiful, they are more beautiful than women, any women.

    and so. he is expressing this kind of bi-sexuality, that he feels is universal. he feels that old men would be like: d-uh. [BURPS LIKE A BLOBFISH WITH SEVERE INDIGESTION] d-uh. everybody knows that. HAHAHAHAH...that is the kind of...he is writing with that level of confidence. every [unclear] is like...d-uh, of course.

    so what is imam nawawi then? if he is finding these guys attractive. so is he a deviant. are we gonna chuck all these people out of faith now?
    every word of the scoundrel above, attributing to imam nawawi is a lie. as filthy and disgusting a lie, as his potty mouth.
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2019
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  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    homosexuality is the least of his worries.

    start listening from 53 mins onward. he starts showing his colors as a kafir satanist, and between 59 min to 1 hr establishes it beyond any doubt that he is a worshiper of taghut. see his body language and the inverted comma thing he does when he cites hadith.

    i find it hard to believe any Muslim will consider this wretch as a Muslim, much less a scholar when in reality even christians won't accept a person like him as an evangelist.
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  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    From 43 mins, Abu Lies seems to be permitting homosexuality. Is he?
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2019

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