Afzaliyat and Kufr

Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by kattarsunni, Dec 9, 2011.

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  1. That is exactly why I posted please stop entertaining these nazri issues you have full ikhtiyaar to delete. We have to think about the overall effects that they have on the common folk of the Ahl al Sunnah. If you want to discuss do it in private. The 'Ulama have standards that they must adhere to. Don't involve every Zayd, Bakr and 'Amr in your discussions.
     

  2. the above preceded the example. so please address this first. the owness is on you to prove that it is kufr to reject a sahih hadith.
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    it is the habit of zanadiqah to dig out contentious issues and cause confusion among common people. for example, pir abdu'l qadir is the cause of this heresy and shameful behavior of attempting to throw mud on shining stars of the ummah.

    it is not that we are afraid of dealing with any of these topics - but we are only concerned that some uninitiated people may go astray because they take false information and consider it proof.

    in the end, we resist because we have to; tawfiq is only in Allah's Power. and every soul shall answer for its deeds one day.
     
  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    where did you learn to talk (or write for that matter)?

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    i will ignore the fallacy in your question and ask you to substantiate your statement first: where did imam razi do this and what did he say about it?
     
  5. sidi qasim, if takfir is not for awaam al-naas then what is?
     
  6. These are not topics for the 'awaam al naas.
     
  7. example of denial: imam al-razi denied the hadith of three lies about hazrat Ibrahim(a) in sahih bukhari rigourously authenticated. so has he committed kufr?
     
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  8. Okay,

    a sahih hadith is khabr al-wahid. and khabr al-wahid is dhanni according to all the usulis. how can denial of dhanni be kufr.

    al-mustasfa: خبر الواحد لا يفيد العلم
     
  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    GG said:
    so you have taken a stand.

    now, prove it.
     
  10. the last post was for ghulam so please have no ambiguities about that.

    for AH:

    that is not correct. it is wrong and aginst established usul.
     
  11. Oh là là!! someone has touched a raw nerve somewhere. you are soooooooo wound up ghulam e zidd. drink some ruh afza with some crushed ice, it will cool you down. I really feel sorry for you my dear brother. try using your 'own' brain for a day. write something. all you are is clips. clip this, clip that, exposed, breaking news, etc.

    remember brother, dushman maray te khusi na karye, sajna wee marjana. I have decided that I will neither address nor reply to any of your things because sometimes x is a matter of facticity. Khuda Hafiz and Ya Ali madad! Haider! Haider! Haider!
     
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    GG said:
    in response to my statement some time ago:
    what is your position concerning my statement above? are you for, or against it? if you think that my statement is a blunder, go ahead and prove it. and if you agree with me, then what is the point of citing it here? if you cannot answer these questions, then you better shut up.

    please do not use the politician's device - be ambiguous and keep options open to jump to the other ship when it is convenient; tahir jhangvi does it unknowing that there is many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip. you can probably rework a samuel johnson quote for that matter.

    real men do not fear to take a stand and state it like men. i encourage you to be a man.

    wa billahi't tawfiq.
     
  13. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=hR4588WAMkg

    You need to tell Tench Bhatwi Shah Sahib that you should zip it when attacking the Sunni Imam's. As for you trying to debunk Matla can't wait after seeing your class acts on DM
     
  14. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Which alim made the declaration, abu Fazl?
     
  15. Abu Fadl

    Abu Fadl Banned

    It's a declaration been put in the newspaper, after 10 days they put it in another newspaper (with different editors).

    The statement has not been retracted or disowned in any way at all since.

    ...gulam, shut up if you cannot address a serious matter.
     
  16. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Shah Jee answer Kattars questions no point trying to divert abu Hasan. What next you going to say to kattar tuh kaparai karai jai lai wai nee?
     
  17. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    You should have said that to Mawlana Abid Jalali at the debate!
     

  18. jab baraday baat kar rahey hon to bachon ko nahin bolna chahiye.
     
  19. Ghulam

    Ghulam Veteran

    Shah Jee you are saying the same in your speech on Tafzil. When are your other two parts coming out?

    I thought both you and abu fazl was also going to refute Pir Saqib as your Pir said so it is against the law you have not so far
     
  20. and to add to that here is one from our very own brother:

     

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