alahazrat's ijazah to the famous muhaddith abdu'l Hayy al-kattani

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  1. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    An interesting find on the site.
    http://www.daralhadith.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Barzanji-Ilm-Ghayb.pdf
    Shaykh ahmad barzanji's treatise on 'Ilm ul ghaib.

    Deobandis present another work of shaykh barzanji's whose original manuscript is unknown and gives an inaccurate representation of shaykh barzanji's views on ilm ul ghaib.

    Mufti monawwar atiq of the UK explains this https://scholarsink.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/knowledge_of_the_unseen_theology1.pdf (pages 27 and 28). He mentions the work Risalah fi al-Ilm al-Nabawi. is that the same as the work above (Risalah fi ilm al ghaib)?
     
  2. Wadood

    Wadood Veteran

    kakazai is a very moderate British Pakistani deobandi, this is my opinion. He is the type of Hamza KaramAli and Faraz Rabbani's students like Salman, who do not call themselves as deobandi, but would like to remind the staunch deobandis of their misunderstandings in the case of the akabr e deobandi, who they deem followed correct Sunnism; but kakazai has respect for 'Ala HaDrat's scholarship more than the others mentioned in this post due to probably two reasons that I can think of considering his daily encounters
     
  3. Abu al-Qasim

    Abu al-Qasim Active Member

    http://www.daralhadith.org.uk/?p=205

    Al-Kakazai wrote;

    He must be aware of the disgusting lies written by Lakhnawi in Nuzhat al-Khawatir;

    If he was unaware of what was written in Nuzhat al-Khawatir he would not have written
    This article was written in 2008, a full year before he posted the extract from Nuzhat al-Khawatir, on Sayyid Ahmad-i Nuri (radiAllahu 'anh).
    His tone and what he has written does seem to suggest that he does not agree with Lakhnawi in relation to the slander he penned in Nuzhat al-Khawatir regarding Sayyidi A'la Hazrat. He mentions the author/commentators of the aforementioned books of Hanafi Fiqh as

    I think maybe the latter 'akabir' he mentions in the article are the akabir 'ulama of the Deobandis, seeing as this article seems to be addressed to them, or atleast to a group from amongst them.

    The entire article seems to be in refutation of Deobandis who call tawassul shirk and Sunnis grave worshipers. He also quotes from al-Muhannad at the end. All in all it seems very clear that he is absolutely a fence sitter.
     
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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    maybe you see things that i don't do. please help me here.
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    first about the biography on alukah. i didn't see anything that proves your claim that he differed from the sunni path on the matter of sifat. about his praise for ibn taymiyyah, he is not alone; many ulama whom we respect - suyuti and ibn abidin included have called him shaykh al-islam and praised him. i personally don't like ibn taymiyyah, but i have made peace with the fact that many great sunni ulama have reconciled with the conflict that iT was a prominent Hafiz and hadith scholar, but at the same time had aberrant opinions.

    in shawahid al-Haqq itself, a citation by sayyidi ahmad zarruq sums up the dilemma and a fair standpoint: that he was a major hadith scholar, but he had aberrations in certain issues. we do not follow him in his aberrant opinions.


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    on the second link, i didn't find any mention of ibn abd al-wahhab (unless by kingpin, you refer to ibn taymiyyah).

    there is this purported letter by al-kattani apologising for his comments in his taqriz upon nab'hani's shawahid al-Haqq. i don't know of the authenticity of the letter (apart from the observation, that citation on that page appears to be incomplete and chunks seem to have been omitted from the missive). firstly, all of these claims of his becoming a salafi are those of his descendants and students who seem to have become enamoured of ibn Taymiyyah.

    yet, from that very citation, it is clear that sayyid abd al-Hayy al-kattani never wavered from the mas'alah of visiting RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam; he also defends sufis from the criticism of ibn Taymiyyah and refuses to accept anything from him concerning them:

    فلا أقبل أنا في مثل ابن العربي والشاذلي وابن الفارض مائة ألف من ابن تيمية، مع إقامة العذر له، والعلم بأنه لو اطلع على ما اطلعوا

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    from the same citation (reiterating that i am unaware of its authenticity):

    فسلكت أنا ذلك المسلك، وبينما نحن نستقبح مسلك النابغة نعمان الألوسي في "جلاء العينين"، ومبالغته في بعض المواضع، إذ ظهر ذلك الشيطان المارق المفتون عن دينه ودنياه، المتلاعب بدين محمد تلاعب الرياح العاصفة بالشجرة اللينة العزيزة في الجبل العالي، صاحب "غاية الأماني في الرد على النبهاني"، انظر كيف عمد إلى الغزالي وإمام الحرمين وابن السبكي وأولاده وحزبه، والسيوطي وابن حجر المكي، والسيد المرتضى خاتمة الحفاظ، الذي ما أتى بعد تلاميذ العسقلاني أعلم منه بهذه الصناعة، فلمز أعراضهم، ونقض فضائلهم، وشرح مثالبهم التي خلقها وولدها. وانظر كيف عمد إلى محمد عبده ورشيد رضا والحلبي صاحب "التعليم والإرشاد"، فجعلهم كالأيمة الأربعة، وجعل الدليل على فضل ابن تيمية مدح هؤلاء له. وانظر كيف خاطب الشيخ عبد القادر الجيلي، والأستاذ الرفاعي وأمثالهم؟. هل يسوغ لمسلم السكوت عن ذلك أو تحمله؟. فإن كان جمال الدين القاسمي ممن يرضيه ذلك فسأعلمه بأني مباين له في المشرب، ومعاد لهذا المذهب وأهله

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    about ibn abd al-Hadi and his screed:
    يشهد بأن ابن عبد الهادي صاحب "الصارم المنكي"، صنع شيئا ما هو إلا مختال خابط خبط عشواء، عالم بالجرح غافل عن التعديل، يتمسك بالإطلاق ويغفل عن التقييد، يتمسك بالألفاظ ولا يحكّم معانيها ومقاصدها
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    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
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  5. sunniwarrior

    sunniwarrior New Member

    Muhammad Abd al-Hayy al-Kattani quotes Shaykh Nabahani or Shaykh Abd al-Aziz al-Dabbagh isn't proof of anything, because the deobandis also do quote. Infact deobandits have translated Ibriz of Shah Abd al-Aziz al-Dabbagh, then again that's not a proof of sound itiqad of Deobandits.

    The problematic issue is his position on Asma wa Sifat and his love for Ibn Taymiyyah and Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab.

    You can read his biography authored by Wahhabites here http://www.alukah.net/culture/0/27301/

    and you can also read Kattani's defence of Wahhabi kingpin

    http://www.azahera.net/showthread.php?t=1294


    رسالة للسيد عبد الحي الكتاني للمكي بن عزوز
    رسالة للسيد عبد الحي الكتاني وجهها للمكي بن عزوز يبين فيها وموقفه الجديد من ابن تيمية ومن المتعصبين, أنقلها هنا كما نقلها السيد حمزة الكتاني في روض الرياحين:
    قال الحافظ الشيخ عبد الحي الكتاني في رسالة منه للعلامة المكي ابن عزوز رحمه الله حول هذا التقريظ:
    خطبت وده - الشيخ النبهاني - أولا بمكاتبته، فكتبت مستجيزا من أستاذنا الوالد، وشيخنا الأخ، والفقير، فوفقت في إجازتهم له وأجزته أيضا، واستجزته. فلما سافرت للحج كان نزلي في مصر بمنزل العلامة السيد أحمد الحسيني، فأوقفني على هذا الكتاب "شواهد الحق"، قبل إكماله، ورغبني في تقريظه، فصدر مني ما صدر من التوغل والإفراط في ذم ابن تيمية شيخ الإسلام، وأتباعه، لموجبات أوجبت لي ذلك، أعظمها: أني إذذاك لم أتمكن من مطالعة كتب شيخ الإسلام حق المطالعة، ولا استوعبت واحدا منها، لأنها ما وصلتنا لفاس، لأن أرباب الكتب لعلمهم بأن سوقها غير نافذ، لا يجلبونها إلا بطلب خاص".
     
  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    in post #14, the citation is from jamiy karamat al-awliya of nab'hani - in sayyidi abd al-Hayy kattani's words:

    jamiynabhani,1-379.jpg
     
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    on p.89 he mentions sayyidi abd al-Aziz dabbagh; as if salafi-wahabis love ibriz and fondly quote from it! besides, this is about seeing RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam with waking eyes!

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  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    i read this book not very long ago, and i don't remember having seen this "confession". i just browsed through right now, and starting from the author's preface, and ran through it twice, but i didn't see it. if anyone has a reference, please do. i doubt that it would figure in shamayil.

    however, he does mention sufiyah in his work that would be anathema to even the mildest "salafi" and the person whose copy was scanned has the following comments - notice that shaykh kattani "asked" the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, and the salafi scribbler is indignant:


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  9. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    This is new to me; however, the works of the likes of Shaykh Muhammad b. Ja`far al-Kattani and others are pretty much the total opposite of Salafi creed. Take for example the points mentioned in his muqaddima to Salwat al-Anfas [regarding awliya]? Or his Jala' al-Qulub [on Prophetic knowledge]?
     
  10. sunniwarrior

    sunniwarrior New Member

    A deobandi told me that Kattani scholars are Salafi Wahhabi in Aqidah. I did not believe him until I did my own research and I came across
    https://ar-ar.facebook.com/elkettani.ma/posts/563620323685847


    ذكر الشيخ عبد الحي الكتاني عن نفسه في "منية السائل في اختصار الشمائل"، انه سلفي العقيدة ، و ذكر في "المظاهر السامية في النسبة و الطريقة الكتانية" ان الكتانيين اشاعرة على مذهب "الابانة" لا على مذهب المتكلمين، و ذكر جدنا محمد المنتصر الكتاني في تقديمه ل"الرسالة المستطرفة" ان مؤلفها جده الامام محمد بن جعفر كان سلفي العقيدة و كان يرى ان الاشاعرة و الماتريدية انما اولوا بحسن نية تنزيها لله تعالى، و ذكر الامام ابن جعفر في "نظم المتناثر في الحديث المتواتر" فصولا في اثبات عقيدة اهل السنة و نقل فيها كلام شيخ الاسلام ابن تيمية من كتبه، و وصفه بشيخ الاسلام. و كذلك دعا جدنا محمد المنتصر في "فتية طارق و الغافقي" لتدريس الناس عقيدة اثرية مستمدة من الكتاب و السنة و ترك كتب الكلام، و قال لي بأنه على عقيدة اهل الحديث، و كذلك كان شقيقه المحدث محمد الناصر كما في كتابه "عيون الآثار"، و صنف العلامة محمد ابراهيم بن احمد بن جعفر رسالة قيمة و هي "سلفية الامام مالك"، و قرر فيها عقيدة اهل السنة بكلام جميل.
    فهؤلاء هم آل بيتنا، و قد كانوا اوسع من مذاهبهم و مشاربهم، همهم رفعة الاسلام و شريعته، و قال لي والدي علي بن المنتصر : كان وادي يقول لي: قال الامام مالك: اهل السنة من لا اسم لهم سوى السنة.

    I think we should avoid Kattani and Ghumari Scholars. They are salafi wahhabi in aqidah
     
  11. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    http://www.daralhadith.org.uk/?p=124
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    shaykh muHammad ibn abi bakr al-mulla raHimahullah.

    if our assessment is right, five of his shaykhs from Hijaz are signatories to Husam al-Haramayn (unless of course, these are contemporary ulama with similar names):

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    3- Sh. Saeed al-Yamani (#19 in Husam)

    4- Sh. Abu Hafs Umar bin Abi Bakr Ba Junaid al-Makki (#8 in Husam)

    12- Sh. Muhammad Ali bin Hussein al-Maliki (#10 in Husam)

    13- Sh. Abu Hafs Umar bin Hamdan al-Mahrasi (#28 and #29 in Husam; as he wrote TWO attestations)

    14- Sh. Abd al-Qadir bin Tawfiq al-Shibli al-Madani (#34 in Husam)

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    ijazah from alahazrat

    15- Sh. al-Sharif Muhammad Abd al-Hayy al-Kattani

    Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
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  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    it would be an issue if devbandis boldly proclaimed their true aqidah instead of acting like hypocrites that they are. may Allah give them a just recompense, these munafiqin went to arabs as sunnis and to this day do a two-face.
     
  13. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

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  15. kaydani1

    kaydani1 Active Member

    Sayyid Ibrahim al-Ahsai took ijazat from Qutb e Madina. However, he also took from Kandehlawi.
     
  16. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

  17. Abu al-Qasim

    Abu al-Qasim Active Member

    What did Lakhnawi write about A'la Hazrat in it?
     
  18. Abu al-Qasim

    Abu al-Qasim Active Member

    Hmm, yes it seems he's another fence sitter. I looked through his blogs he praises Devs but also A'la Hazrat and other Sunni scholars in places. He has mentioned the disbute between 'Barelwis' and 'Deobandis' a couple of times in passing but not commented upon it also. He seems to have studied with the Hanafi scholars of al-Ahsa. Brother @Unbeknown or Sidi @abu Hasan if possible please share some info on these scholars, I had no idea there were native Sunni Hanafis in Saudi. Are they aware of the deviancy of the Deobandis? And what are/were their views on A'la Hazrat? Apparently some of them met Sayyidi Qutb e Madinah and took ijazat from him also.
    Forgive me if I should have created a new topic for this, only realised I've kinda hijacked this topic now.
     
  19. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    al-kakazai is a regular poster at marifah. what I understood from his posts is that he is another fence-sitter on the sunni-devbandas issue, for good or for bad.

    Here's another one of his articles on Hazrat Ahmad-e-Noori (raDiyAllahuanhu): http://www.daralhadith.org.uk/?p=1474
    I don't know if he is aware about 'nuzhat-al-khawatir''s take on alahazrat (raDiyAllahuanhu).

    nice blog though.
     
  20. Abu al-Qasim

    Abu al-Qasim Active Member

    http://www.daralhadith.org.uk/?p=213

    Interesting. Who is the admin of this blog?
     

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