Allama Syed Rashid Makki Ashraf al-Jilani Kichochvi (Tasawwuf)

Its a simple question with a simple answer! Do you think he lied in a book he decided to call 'declaration of truth'?

 

here we go again

you just cannot stop jugding people and cannot make a point without slandering. i think what allama tauseef raza khan, subhan raza khan, mufti farooq rizvi, mufti sharfuddin, mufti mansoor azhari, zainul aqtab siddique etc think.

just clarify for me this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUBPR6CsBk

my relationship with Allah is with me and my Creator. I do not think a muttaqi like yourself can slander the family of Prophet (peace be upon him)

 

ghulamemadni

I don't need convincing and I don't need to go and see anyone and quite frankly this masala is very straightforward. Go read the actual document that Jilani Miya signed - it is laden with kufr. If a mufti or Molvi can't see that for whatever reason then that is their problem not mine. If you weren't influenced by the person involved you would reach the same conclusion if you were God fearing.

You still haven't answered my question: Do you accept that jilani Miya lied in his book the Declaration of Truth as I have set out above???

 

the emir

brother

if you want, i can ask jilani mians mureeds to answer this. maybe later i will post it.

but being honest, there are many scholars who are refusing to boycott jilani mian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUBPR6CsBk . isuggest you convince scholars like Mufti Sharfuddin al-Ashrafi (milton keynes), Mufti Mansoor Azhari (bham) etc. its not an easy masla as you are trying to potray

 

Gulamemadni

Do you accept that jilani Miya lied in his book the Declaration of Truth as I have set out above???

And Jilani Miya's uncles have sorted it out - they have declared him a kafir!!!!!

 

Jazakallah brother Abu Fadl

They are the family of Hazrat Ali, why such hatred. if jilani mian is wrong then let his great uncles to sort him out, not me and you. Swearing and slandering would not help and it doesnt reflect good on your mashaikh

 

abu fadl

That was when the matter was still being discussed and Jilani Miya agreed to repent and resign.

 

I think you are best leaving it to the family to sort out. Apparently Hashmi Miaa Sahib has give Jilaani Miaa a hug. It's mentioned on some youtube clip.

 

Gulamemadni

No answer to the posts I have made?? No acknowledgement of the blatant lies?? Just an incoherent rabble of a reply

And of course you care that jilani Miya has been exposed as a liar otherwise you wouldn't bother defending him would you

Quite frankly, you can defend Jilani Miya and shout it from the rooftops to your heart's content - it won't change a thing. He has been given a fatwa of Kufr and unless he repents no one except his chamches will think otherwise.

As far as the Mufti you refer to is concerned, if he has given a fatwa of Kufr against Jilani Miya but has then attended a function with jilani Miya and has gone against his own fatwa then that is a matter for him to explain - it doesn't change the charge of kufr against Jilani Miya.

And you don't need a fatwa from anyone to tell you when you have committed Kufr when the Kufr is obvious - a fatwa just confirms it, for example if you were to Allah forbid get involved in the group Jilani Miya was involved in and through their influence become a Hindu and started worshipping idols, you or anyone else wouldn't need a fatwa to know that you have become a kafir! A fatwa would simply confirm it but you would have become a kafir as soon as you become a Hindu.

And if you don't know about the rules of fatwas then you wouldn't understand about the concept of 'zaid' so I won't bother explaining that to you..

 

Thus we come back to the same attitude, as is associated with the followers and mureeds like you. You do not like it when your fatwa or ideas are challenged and stoop down to swearing and slandering.

You can call Jilani mian liar or munafiq all day, i dont care. But it does not make him a kafir. you have great ability of copying and pasting as can be witnessed in your earlier posts, however it is unconvincing.

Just a thought, the website you are using as your primary and only source, celebrates the fact that they have a fatwa from bareily sharif, Manzare Islam.
Can you please explain this . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUBPR6CsBk I am sure he is the same mufti.

The book had istifta named on Zaid and later transfered that on Jilani mian. look whos fooling themselves.

Please answer this or shall i move to the next exposition

 

A photo to prove the contents of the above post. Our Shaykh is 4th from the right and the banner at the back gives the date as 24 November 2004 and clearly states that this program was organised by 'Spiritual Foundation'.

Just to recap what our Shaykh wrote and printed in May 2006:

I was made a member of the Apex Body of this organisation whereas all my attention and my entire schedule were spent on the construction and organisation of Jamiya Sufiya in Kichocha Sharif and Spiritual Camps.’ (Page 7 Declaration of Truth)

‘I have such a busy schedule that up until now I have been unable to attend any function or programme of FUREC and neither have I been able to carry out any work of the UP chapter of FUREC.’ (Page 8 Declaration of Truth).

You lie once to cover another lie and it soon snowballs and later everything that you say is a lie. When a Shaykh goes astray and leaves the path of his pious forefathers this is what happens.

Any chamcha of Jilani Miya like to explain or defend this lie or can I move on to the next post exposing our Shaykh?

 

To give a flavour of Jilani Miya's behaviour on this issue, the following is a great read. If you have done nothing wrong, why tell such porkies? This is the effect on a Shaykh of Tariqat after he has spent too much time with Sadhus, Bishops, Gurus. (Bear in mind Jilani Miya's book was called 'The Declaration of Truth.").

Surely the next istifta should be to any Mufti Gulamemadni wishes that 'what is the ruling in Sharia of a Shaykh of Tariqat who prints and publishes outrageous and blatant lies?' Enjoy!

"Jilani Miya in the Declaration of Truth (Urdu) published by the Spiritual Foundation, Lucknow in the month of Safar 1427 being March 2006 of which 5000 copies were printed writes on page 7:


‘I was made a member of the Apex Body of this organisation whereas all my attention and my entire schedule were spent on the construction and organisation of Jamiya Sufiya in Kichocha Sharif and Spiritual Camps.’ (Page 7 Declaration of Truth)


On page 8 Jilani Miya writes


‘I have such a busy schedule that up until now I have been unable to attend any function or programme of FUREC and neither have I been able to carry out any work of the UP chapter of FUREC.’ (Page 8 Declaration of Truth).

It should be borne in mind that Jilani Miya wrote the above in the Declaration of Truth in March 2006.​

In addition Jilani Miya has stated in the video CD that he recorded in Blackburn on 30 May 2006 when discussing the alleged amendment to FUREC’s constitution that:


‘…near to me FUREC has no importance.’


From the above printed and recorded words of Jilani Miya we can establish three assertions:

1. Jilani Miya has not attended any of FUREC’s functions or programmes.
2. All his attention and time has been spent on constructing Jamiya Sufiya and organising Spiritual Camps.
3. Jilani Miya doesn’t give any importance to FUREC and therefore presumably would not give any financial contribution to it.

This is what Jilani Miya would like us to believe. This is what he has both printed in the Declaration of Truth and recorded on a video CD both of which have been distributed by him to Sunni Muslims around the world including our Scholars and Imams.


However these claims are blatant and shameful lies. The truth and reality are entirely the opposite of what Jilani Miya has written and recorded.


1. The January 2005 monthly bulletin of FUREC named ‘U-Can Change the World’ records the following on page 3:


‘I am delighted to learn that under the leadership of one of the Founder Apex Council member of FUREC, H.H.S.M. Jilani Ashraf, the U.P. Chapter of FUREC is being launched on 24 November 2004 at Lucknow. The event is also marked by a Seminar jointly organized by FUREC and Spiritual Foundation founded by H.H.S.M. Jilani Ashraf.
True to the spirit of universality the seminar also includes a few international participants. I learn that the U.P. Chapter of FUREC in close collaboration with the Spiritual Foundation will work on spiritual matters as well as education and health care for poor.
I wish the Seminar, the U.P. Chapter of FUREC and Spiritual Foundation many successes in their endeavours.
Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam
New Delhi 22-11-2004’ (Page 3 U-Can Change the World, January 2005)


As you will note a function to launch the UP Chapter of FUREC was organised to take place on 24 November 2004. Therefore, has Jilani Miya been telling the truth or did this function actually take place and as a result prove that he has unashamedly lied to the Sunni Muslim community? Read the words yourself as described in the January 2005 monthly magazine:


‘On the 24th of November 2004, a function was held in Lucknow to launch the Uttar Pradesh chapter of FUREC at the initiative of Hadrat Syed Muhammad Jilani Ashraf sahib. Speaking at the function were religious people from different faiths Father Albert D’Souza, Bishop Lucknow, Swami Mukti Nathanand of R. K. Mission and Mahant Ram Chander Das were some of them. The function was a gentle expression of the desire for unity amongst all those present. If one of the spiritual leaders said that the greatest dharma is humaneness, another said that Lucknow has always lived amicably with people from all folds, perhaps because of its strong Sufi influence. The Mayor of Lucknow, Mr. S. C. Rai gave a very erudite speech calling for unity in Lucknow which he said, (in the form of an Urdu couplet), is not just a city of tombs and minarets, or gardens and grounds, but is a city where cupid plays in gay abandon and in its lanes are angels and fairies. No wonder then that the Hadrat sahib calling for action said, (again in a couplet) that the world was listening very carefully, we ourselves, (those speaking) slept, telling the story.’ (Page 4 U-Can Change the World, January 2005)


Jilani Miya also gave a speech at this meeting which is recorded in English where he states inter alia the following:


‘Friends: Today Faquir Ashrafi is not on the dais to deliver lecture but will be glad to listen to the learned speakers. Briefing my address I would say that this seminar which is an attempt to bring different religious leaders at one platform to deliberate on the unity of all religions and enlightened citizenship can be termed as a step forward towards implementation of decisions taken during the presence of His Excellency, Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam in Surat in October last year. HH Acharya Mahaprajna has been a guiding force and helping us in all spheres of our activities. Mr. Y.S Rajan’s advice from time to time has been a great asset for us.
Surat Spiritual Declaration was the outcome of a conclave of all religious leaders held at Surat in October 2003. The leaders had the privilege to have had an inter action with His Excellency President of India, Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam also. A review meeting of the decisions taken during the conclave was held in New Delhi in June, 2004 and that gave birth to the Foundation of Unity of Religions and Enlightened Citizenship (FUREC). It was formally announced at Rashtrapati Bhawan.
Today, the 24th November, 2004, is the inaugural day of UP Chapter of FUREC which has been entrusted to Spiritual Foundation and the Foundation feels pleasure to have an august audience on the day of its inauguration.’ (Page 6 U-Can Change the World, January 2005).


It is abundantly clear from the above quoted paragraphs from FUREC’s own magazine which also contains photographic evidence that Jilani Miya has not only attended a programme of FUREC but has actually organised it and has without any doubt lied in the Declaration of Truth when he said that ‘I have such a busy schedule that up until now I have been unable to attend any function or programme of FUREC and neither have I been able to carry out any work of the UP chapter of FUREC.’Jilani Miya actually arranged for the launch of the UP Chapter of FUREC for which he was thanked in advance by the President of India contrary to what he has written and distributed to the Sunni Muslim community.


He has also allowed religious leaders of other faiths a platform to espouse their views on unity of religions and has expressed his gladness at the chance to listen to such ‘learned speakers’ and as a result clearly endorsed the aims and objectives of FUREC and the Surat spiritual Declaration.


2. Jilani Miya also arranged another programme of FUREC between 22 and 26 May 2005. The Spiritual Foundation in association with FUREC organised a medical camp at Lucknow for a five day period under the FUREC banner.


Why is Jilani Miya writing he has never attended any function or programme of FUREC when he is not only attending and participating but actually arranging these functions???


3. On 2 August 2005 a ‘morning dedicated to Surat Spiritual Declaration’ was held to award H H Acharya Mahaprajna the ‘National Award for Communal Harmony.’ Two other awards were also presented on the same date. ‘One was to the Akhil Bharatiya Rachnatmak Samaj led by Dr Nirmala Deshpandey and the other was to Sh Rama Shanker Singh who received the Kabir Puraskar for taking his life to bringing communal harmony.’ (Page 3 U-Can Change the World, September 2005.


At this meeting many people were present including the Prime Minister of India as well as LK Advani, a leader of the BJP. In the September monthly magazine on page 7 under the heading ‘Gratitude’ the following is recorded:


‘Empowering FUREC with the power to function, act (kriya) are the following people to whom we convey our heartfelt thanks and sincere appreciation for their generous donation’


And thereafter the following individuals and organisations are listed as donors:


Dr A P J Abdul Kalam, Spiritual Foundation, Swami Jitamanandaji, Dr J S Neki, Mr M L Sethia, Dhram Chand Bhaid Kalyas Nyas and Shri Prasad Chandran. (Page 7 U-Can Change the World, September 2005).


Therefore when Jilani Miya said that ‘near to me FUREC has no importance’ he was again lying. It has enough importance for him to contribute financially through Spiritual Foundation! We must also question whether this money was Jilani Miya’s personal wealth or was raised from Muslims for a charitable cause and misused in this way?


What we can conclude based on the information provided by FUREC is that when Jilani Miya wrote that he had not attended a single function or programme of FUREC, he had actually arranged two programmes and financially contributed to one another!


Even more damaging for Jilani Miya is that he has lied to Sunni Muslims including Sunni Scholars who he has sought edicts from, and foolishly published and printed this lie in huge numbers. Even an ardent supporter of Jilani Miya will have to accept that what Jilani Miya has written and had printed is an abhorrent lie designed to mislead Sunni Muslims.

 

ah the height of deceit from our brother!

Are you saying there is nothing wrong with being a member of FUREC or saying that Jilani Miya has resigned and repented??

because that is the double deceit that Jilani Miya has been peddling ever since he got caught - first it was that there was nothing wrong with FUREC, then it was that he had repented.

 

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i've decided not to deal with this jahil and not even give him an ear. he's obviously the follower of the lying, molwi jilani baba, and his ilk and thus, saying anything to him will always end with his idiotic apologetic lies.

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What insolence your ilk has! Look at the way Molvi Zainul Aqtab speaks to Hadrat Shaykh al-Islam Allama Sayyid Muhammad Madani Miya Qibla (madda zillahul aali):

"That guru of yours I challenge to a debate"

Astaghfirullah. La hawla wa la quwwata ila billah

There are hundreds of other insolent insults by your ilk against Hadrat Shaykh ul-Islam Allama Sayyid Muhammad Madani Miya (madda zillahul aali)and Hadrat Ghazi al-Millat Allama Sayyid Muhammad Hashmi Miya (madda zillahul aali)

By the way, Hadrat Shaykh ul-Islam Allama Sayyid Muhammad Madani Miya al-Ashrafi (damat barkatahum ul aalia) was given the title "Ra`is al-Muhaqiqeen" by Hadrat Ghazali al-Zaman Qibla Allama Sayyid Ahmad Sa`id Muhaddith Kazmi (rahmatullahi taala alayh)

Isn't Hadrat Shaykh ul-Islam Allama Sayyid Madani Miya from Ahl al-Bayt? Isn't Hadrat Ghazi al-Millat Allama Sayyid Hashmi Miya from Ahl al-Bayt?

Please don't blackmail us with your garbage. And your "quote" doesn't have the writing, so bring your proof in writing before telling us to!


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please contact them and get it in writing. also i can sense your frustration and anger. i am sure you pir would not allow you to speak like that of a member of ahle bayt.

anyway since my shaykh also doesnt agree with this allegation and hence being slandered on that website. I have an annoucement that a website will be launched to expose the truth in this matter within few weeks. Offcourse there will be genuine arguments from renownked scholars in writing and offcourse no slandering like the kharijis and naasibis. Just wait to be surprised.

but this forum is for all and not for mureeds of a particular peer.

Jazakallah

 

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We will NOT allow the speeches of pathological liars like Molvi Jilani Mian and his ilk to be posted here. Simply because your ilk lies and deceives doesn't mean you're right and it doesn't mean we'll allow the speeches of lying hypocrites upon this forum.

End of discussion.
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To the mods

please do not listen to everyone regarding this matter of furec, as many scholars do not agree with the allegation.

This is ahlu sunna forum and all speeches should be allowed

Jazakallah

 

Allama Irshad Maghrabi's Istifta to Tajush Shariah Hazrat Allama Akhtar Raza Khan Azhari. here is a summary.

"I have been taking signatures of Ulama on Sawarimul Hindia, amongst them is Hazrat Allama Syed Muhammad Jilani Ashraf's signature and article despite I knew there is a supposed charge of kufr on him. I am also aware that he had repented in writing (resignation letter). Now the scholars, particularly Tajush Shariah and Shari council of India guide me that Since there is a charge on him and I knew it, then What is the charge on me?"

Tajush Shariah replies

"To take signature/article and publish it is a good work and there is not hukm on the mustafti"

(As Sawarimul Hindia, Inshirahe Hidayat, Published by Daarul Uloom Razae Khwaja, Ajmer Sharif)

Get Muhadithe Kabir's statement in his writing