Aqdas' feedback to ARH al-Mubtadiý

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  1. Aqib alQadri

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    the biggest problem with wahhabis is that they cannot just digest the fact that Allah's friends are alive in Barzakh. they do not want to accept it even though Allah expounds it in the Holy Qur'an.

    End time is day of Qiyaamah.
     
  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Abdu'r Rahman Hasan al-Mubtadiý:

    You said it was permissible to seek istighathah through the Prophet ﷺ in his lifetime.

    So now I want a sahih or hasan hadith from you that shows that Allah ta'ala took these powers from RasulAllah ﷺ once he went to the world of Barzakh.

    Not your opinion or analogy - I want Quran and hadith.

    Your time starts now.
     
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  3. Aqdas

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    وَلَلآخِرَةُ خَيْرٌ لَكَ مِنَ الأولَى
    And each coming moment of yours is better than the last (93:4)

    O wahabi! You said it was allowed to seek the help of RasulAllah ﷺ in his lifetime. The Quran says his every coming moment is better than the last. His rank is ever increasing.

    So if it was allowed 1,400 years ago - it's even more beneficial now.
     
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  4. Aqdas

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    Abdu'r Rahman Hasan al-Mubtadiý...

    Would it be shirk to ask for help over the phone? Because the person isn't present (hāđir)?

    If you say, yes; then you become a mushrik.
    If you say, no; then why not?

    You might say, 'the person on the phone is not present but he is aware of your situation'.

    O wahabi! Our Rasul sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said: 'I see the whole world and what will happen in it till judgement day like I see the palm of my hand'.

    Once again, you've concocted principles that the person being asked must be alive in this world and present. Who said?
     
  5. To those who say the Holy Messenger of Allah SalAllahu Alahi wa Sallim cannot benefit from His Blessed Grave -

    Bukhari- Volume 8, Book 73, Number 216 :
    Narrated by Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari
    Allah's Apostle said, "Name yourselves after me (by my name) but do not call (yourselves) by my Kuniya (1), for I am Al-Qasim (distributor), and I distribute among you Allah's blessings." This narration has also come on the authority of Anas that the ! Prophet said so."

    The meaning of this is general and not confined to only the life of the Holy Prophet SalAllahu Alaihi wa Sallim as it is supported by the Narration: The Prophet said, upon him blessings and peace: “My life is an immense good for you: you bring up new matters and new matters are brought up for you. My death, also, is an immense good for you: your actions will be shown to me; if I see goodness I shall praise Allâh and if I see evil I shall ask forgiveness of Him for you.” (Bazzar in His Musnad with a Sound Chain of Narrators confirmed by Iraqi, Suyuti and Haythami)
     
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  6. Aqdas

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    Here's a real example.

    Imam Bukhari narrates a hadith about ibn Umar and/or ibn Abbas getting cramp in the leg. They then proclaimed, 'Ya Muhammad' and it was immediately better.

    The wahabi will say the hadith is weak.

    Ok, fine.

    But, O wahabi! Don't you see that Imam Bukhari devised a chapter name for this hadith: 'What one says if one feels a cramp in his leg'.

    These hadith masters are making such hadith the basis of recommending actions!

    صلى الله عليه وسلم و رضي الله عنهم
     
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  7. Aqdas

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    Ok, for argument's sake, the hadith are weak or even forgeries.

    But, O wahabi! Don't you see that the hadith masters narrate them WITHOUT applying the ruling of shirk?

    E.g. Imam Tabarani narrates a hadith. This hadith is in fact weak. The hadith mentions an action. Imam Tabarani doesn't comment on the action as being shirk. Nor do any of the hadith masters or scholars after him.

    So, O wahabi! You can rule the hadith as weak or even forged. But are you - a blasted nincompoop - the first monotheist in this ummah?

    Regardless of the grading of the hadiths, why didn't the masters see what your filthy eyes do?!
     
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  8. Aqdas

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    Abdu'r Rahman Hasan al-Mubtadiý keeps repeating: 'the one being called must be present.'

    Have this, O wahabi:

    Abu Ya`la, Ibn al-Sunni, and al-Tabarani in al-Mu`jam al-Kabir narrated that the Prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said: "If one of you loses something or seeks help or a helper (ghawth), and he is in a land where there is no one to befriend, let him say: "O servants of Allah, help me! (ya `ibad Allah, aghithuni), for verily Allah has servants whom one does not see."
     
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  9. Aqdas

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    If I bury you alive, you can't hear or see anything of the world above you.

    If I bury a dead body, it can hear and see much from the world above.*

    Powers of the soul are multiplied after death.

    O wahabi! Madad is from the soul so seeking istighathah from the people of the grave is even better than seeking from the living!

    * hadiths mention that the dead sees and hears those who visit his grave and hears the footsteps etc.
     
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  10. Aqdas

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    Sayyidi Shaykh Asrar quoted a sahih hadith to the wahabi:

    "My life is an immense good for you: you bring up new matters and new matters are brought up for you. My death, also, is an immense good for you: your actions will be shown to me; if I see goodness I shall praise Allâh and if I see evil I shall ask forgiveness of Him for you."

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    1. Here, RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam mentions life AND demise and that he will continue to benefit us after he goes to his grave.

    2. The wahabi kept repeating, 'must be present' -
    Why, O wahabi? RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam answered you 1,400 years ago that he will SEE our actions wherever we are.

    3. This hadith is tafsir of 4:64 and shows your ignorance with the word إذ
     
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  11. Aqdas

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    Madad and istighathah are sought from the soul of a person.

    The soul becomes free after the body dies.

    So istighathah is even more beneficial AFTER the person has gone to their grave.

    And the wahabi keeps barking on about, 'istighathah is allowed with the living, not the dead.'

    Fool.
     
  12. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    The wahabi keeps pushing the concoction of the prohibition of istighathah with the dead.

    O wahabi! Does the soul die?

    Even when seeking help from the living and present, we do so from their soul, not the body. And the soul will live forever. And in terms of the soul - the living body and dead body are the same.
     
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  13. Aqdas

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    Whilst the iron is hot on Istighathah and tawassul, I wish someone could invite Mawlana Saeed Ahmad Asad to the UK for some seminars, debates and Q&A's.

    Still a legend.

    Whenever I hear of Faisalabad, I think of him. Miss him.
     
  14. Aqdas

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    Wahabi says it's shirk to seek from the people of the graves.

    Shirk?!

    Does your god have a grave that you consider it shirk?
     
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  15. Aqdas

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    The wahabi has it the wrong way around. Let me explain.

    Allah ta'ala is near. So if anything, it could be said to be shirk to call someone who's present because they now share a trait. Comprende?

    Allah ta'ala is alive. So if anything, it could be said to be shirk to call someone who's alive because they now share a trait. Capiche?

    But the mubtadiý Abdu'r Rahman Hasan kept saying: the one called upon must be hayy, hāđir (living, present).

    How is it shirk to call upon someone who's passed away and absent? Unless the wahabi considers those to be attributes of his god? Does he consider his god to be dead and far?

    Interesting, eh?
     
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  16. Aqdas

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    Abdu'r Rahman Hasan إذ a jahil.

    Note: he pompously declared that the word إذ only appears for the past tense...!
     
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  17. Aqdas

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    The wahabis believe that the attributes of their god change. That must be why one action is sometimes tawhid and at other times shirk.

    In the morning, their god doesn't possess the attribute so it's not shirk but in the evening he acquires the attribute and bang! It's now shirk.

    That's why Abdu'r Rahman Hasan kept saying, 'it's not shirk when present, living, etc. but becomes shirk when blah blah...'
     
  18. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    At 4h13m50s of the debate:

    "Get madad from Jilani."

    Shaykh Asrar - you total legend!

    Note: the wahabi vice debator has the title of 'Jilani'.
     
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  19. Aqdas

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    If you say it's shirk to practice tawassul after someone's demise, then you believe so because you think we're ascribing a divine attribute to the dead.

    But you're ok when this same attribute is believed for the living...

    You wahabi! You actually ascribe what you believe is a divine attribute to living humans! That's shirk according to your own rules!
     
  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    How can something be tawhid when someone is alive and then the exact same thing becomes shirk the second a person passes away?

    Astaghfirullah! It's like saying it's permissible for the living to possess a divine attribute while alive but after death, he is stripped of that attribute. So now believing he still possesses that attribute is shirk!

    You dunce! If it's tawhid once, it's always tawhid. If it's shirk once, it's always shirk.

    #wahabis #tawassul #shirk
     

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