Articles on contemporary issues (request for abu Hasan)

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  1. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    The following posts can be a blog post entitled (or something of the sort): Scholars and leadership
    • Shaykh Shukri al-Luhafi on Shaykh Muhammad al-Yaqoubi
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      • 16
      • 19
    • Cult Mind Control
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    • In Defence of the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam Halifax
      • 12
     
  2. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    Post # 50 of the Paris Attack Thread can be a blog post entitled (or something of the sort): On values, freedom of speech, Charlie Hebdo blasphemers
     
  3. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    Post # 25 of the Paris Attack Thread can be a blog post entitled (or something of the sort): On freedom of ideas vs. freedom to insult, loving the Prophet SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam
     
  4. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    It can use a facelift. Something more cheerful. It comes across gloomy to me.
     
  5. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    Below is an example blog post that can be created and then shared on social media.

    It's primarily post # 17 from the Paris Attack thread interspersed with post # 20. I did a bit of editing e.g. capitalizing words, changing from "I" to "we", used bullets as it helps me memorize points, etc. More editing is required of course so that it flows properly, but hopefully the below gives the gist of what I was getting at.

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    On Charlie Hebdo blasphemers, vigilante attacks, values

    1. We have no regret that cartoonists/scoundrels were killed - neither do we give condolence to those blasphemers nor do we show 'outrage'. Let them burn in hell, which they shall undoubtedly.

    {POST 20 - START}
    We do not shed crocodile tears on the death of the accursed blasphemers at Charlie Hebdo; our point is, that it is not in wider interests of Muslims to violate local-laws.
    {POST 20 - END}


    2. But at the same time, we do not encourage or condone Muslims to take up arms and act against local laws.

    a. This is a matter of policy - because Muslims live in millions around the world and these acts hurt us collectively.
    • Punishing blasphemers should be done by Muslim rulers, who have the authority and force to carry out such punishments.
    • Vigilante attacks are not right and should be unequivocally discouraged and condemned.
    • This is not in sympathy to scoundrels, but rather to safeguard our own rights and the Muslim communities at large.

    i. For example, we believe that apostates should be executed. Many people with Muslim names (or descending from Muslim families) in the West have become apostates - al-iyadhubillah. While we believe that their punishment is execution (in one of Shaykh Asrar's talks, he says apostates in non-Muslim lands are exempt from punishment?), we cannot carry it out ourselves. This is the job of people vested with the authority and have the power to administer such punishments. Moreover in Hanafi fiqh, there is a clause that when one or two people become apostates, they are executed - and when a community becomes apostate, they are boycotted.

    ii. Similarly, adultery is rampant in the West - and individuals cannot administer hudud. It is said in Islamic eschatology, that towards the end of time, hudud/punishments will be abandoned. This is a reality today - but notice that the hadith did not ask you to administer those punishments on an individual basis.

    iii. If Saudi Arabia or Egypt were true Muslim countries run by true and upright Muslims, they should have demanded these now-killed blasphemers at Charlie Hebdo to be handed over, like America demands those it considers as having violated American law (and a threat to their values); and then tried in Islamic courts and punished according to Islamic laws.


    b. Secondly, this encourages scoundrels to spew more filth - and it is easy to circulate such things in our time. It is like the bullies on the playground, if you try to hit-back, they will do more and more; the West is mostly atheist and the only god they worship is their own desire and what is right according to their culture and values. So they won't have any inhibitions and will do worse and worser - more to hurt you.

    {POST 20 - START}
    This encourages them to spew more filth, and as ulama have advised, it is like an itch. The more you scratch, the more it increases, until you get bloody. We should ignore it - NOT because we are passive, but with the strategic goal of stopping it.
    {POST 20 - END}


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    4. Just as Charlie Hebdo wanted to be irreverent and deemed it their right to insult anything and everything; we too are irreverent towards Western values and whatever they deem sacred. To hell with their values and may the blasphemers at Hebdo burn in hell.


    5. Nobody should give condolence to the killed criminals of Charlie Hebdo. Yes, terrorism (modern definition) and vigilante attacks should be discouraged - deplored even (with the view that they threaten Muslim interests) but no condolence to the destined-to-hell blasphemers at Charlie Hebdo.


    6. We ask the Western press: why is it that irreverence is reserved only for others?
    • Can any of them have the courage to be irreverent towards and lampoon the slain Charlie Hebdo cartoonists?
    • I don't think they will do so (perhaps one or two may, just to make a point) - because suddenly "sensitivities" will become prominent; and across the board their people will talk of 'civility', 'courtesy', etc.

    Why should respect be accorded ONLY for memory of Western contemporary figures?


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    7. This is a cultural divide. We look at these blaspheming cartoonists as evil and filthy criminals; just as the West looks at Bin Laden and co. [Note, we are not Bin-Laden or Qaeda sympathisers, we are just giving the other perspective.]
    • When US invaded a sovereign country (Pakistan, which is apparently an ally), illegally landed and carried out an operation to kill Bin Laden, the Western world cheered those snipers.
    • Movies are being made and those killers are being celebrated as heroes.
    • This is only because, in Western eyes, Bin Laden is an enemy, a criminal and against their 'values'.
    • So they can go to any extent to safeguard their values.


    8. Similarly, according to our values, blasphemers are evil and filthy criminals who should be executed and authorities should execute such scoundrels.
    • Except that we (ordinary Muslims) also say that this should be done by authorities, and after a trial, and judgement.
    • Imagine if America were a Muslim country: they would send navy seals, who would violate airspace of France, land a few commandos who would execute blasphemers at Charlie Hebdo and pick their bodies and dump them at sea? [Notice that if US were an Islamic country, it would be defending Islamic values and therefore punish those who threaten those values].
    • By those standards, the terrorists who attacked Charlie Hebdo are much more civil (or lack capability) by not picking up the slain blasphemers and dumping them in the channel.

    Reiterated note: we do not condone vigilante attacks and Muslims living in the West should respect the law of the land, wherever they live; Muslims should not resort to taking law in their own hands thereby endangering themselves and other Muslims.

    {POST 20 - START}
    May Allah ta'ala forgive us, and give us courage to stand for the honour of the Prophet SallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.
    {POST 20 - END}
     
  6. Abul Hasnayn

    Abul Hasnayn musjidulhaq.com

    I would like to propose NEW thread on the THE AMMAN MESSAGE http://ammanmessage.com/ and if the signatories have endorsed a deviant document?

    I do not know how new threads get decided upon and promulgated could the moderators kindly shed some light please forgive my ignorance and point me in the right direction if this issue has been addressed.
     
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  11. abu Hasan

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    i have a blog tanwir.org for sometime now; this has been a long-pending project and every time i feel like extracting some useful posts, i get distracted (after doing a search and then go off on a tangent) and then drop the idea for some other convenient time. you can send me a mail/PM if you think any post [all are welcome, btw] is useful and needs to be up there - i will try moving it in sha'Allah.

    wa's salam.

    we ask Allah ta'ala to forgive our mistakes.
    نسأل الله العافية
     
  12. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    Request for @abu Hasan - a website separate from Sunniport (perhaps a blog) should be setup where you write and post formal articles on contemporary issues and the Muslim point of view e.g. freedom of speech, Western vs. Islamic values, etc.

    Post #'s 17, 25, 50 in the Paris Attack thread are a good example of potential blogs/articles. I've read those posts multiple times over and benefited each time. It was as if somebody had expressed the same thoughts and views that I had (but was incapable of expressing) in an articulate and rational manner. These are much more worthy of being shared and spread among Muslims (and even non-Muslims) than a lot of the English articles and blogs we find from so called Muslim leaders.

    These articles can then be linked to and liked on Facebook and other social media, allowing it to spread.

    I understand the forum already allows users to share posts on social media. But there are two drawbacks to sharing from the forum - 1. Formatting (the posts are not as visually appealing and easy to read as say a separate blog); and 2. People may be turned away by other posts in the thread and forum that contain harsh language (whether rightfully or wrongfully) against shaykhs, disputes, refutations, etc. (i.e. it's not everyone's cup of tea).
     

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