Bey gunāh bey khatā hazrat e Muawiyah

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  1. faizanattari786

    faizanattari786 New Member

    I also thought the same like Aqdas, and some scholars have said that Mazharu Ajaib was on Haqq, but i have read else where other opinion as well. I think best is to refrain

    Al-Qurtubi said: "It is not permissible to attribute any deliberate mistake to any of the Sahabah, because they based all their actions on what they believed was right and proper, and their intention was to Allah, may He be glorified and exalted. They are all examples for us to follow and Allah has instructed us to refrain from discussing the disagreements that arose among them, and we should only mention them in the best way, because of the sanctity of their being Companions of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), and because the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade reviling them; moreover, Allah has forgiven them and told us that He is pleased with them." Tafsir al-Qurtubi, 16/321

    A man asked Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal about what happened between ‘Ali and Mu‘awiyah, and he turned away from him. It was said to him: O Abu ‘Abdullah, he is a man from Banu Hashim. He turned to him and said: Recite: “That was a nation who has passed away. They shall receive the reward of what they earned and you of what you earn. And you will not be asked of what they used to do” [al-Baqarah 2:134].

    Manaqib al-Imam Ahmad by Ibn al-Jawzi, p. 126

    Imam Ahmad also said, after it was said to him: What do you say about what happened between ‘Ali and Mu‘awiyah? He said: I do not say anything about them except what is best.

    Manaqib al-Imam Ahmad by Ibn al-Jawzi, p. 164

    But then there are also quotes from some scholars who say that Hazrat Ali was on haqq and other camp was o
  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    The slogan:

    'bey gunāh bey khatā Hazrat e Muawiyah'

    must be avoided. It means:

    'Without sin, without mistake...'

    It gives the impression of nasb (nasibis believe the disagreement of Mawla Ali and Amir Muawiyah was between two mujtahids and we can't say who was upon truth).

    Whereas we, Ahlu's Sunnah, believe that yes, they were both mujtahids but the ijtihād of Mawla Ali was most definitely correct and that of Amir Muawiyah was certainly incorrect.
    Therefore, Amir Muawiyah made what we know as, khatā ijtihādi (mistaken derivation).

    Anyone who believes:
    1. We can't say who was correct or,
    2. Amir Muawiyah was correct

    is a nasibi, enemy of Mawla Ali.

    But though Amir Muawiyah was in error, he isn't reviled because his error wasn't borne out of malice, he was a mujtahid and derived the wrong ruling.

    The mujtahid who exercises ijtihād but gets it wrong gets one reward, namely, for making ijtihād. The mujtahid who arrives at the correct ruling has two rewards, namely, one for making ijtihād and the second for getting it right.

    So although the slogan wasn't designed to portray nasb, it does do so, hence, must be abandoned.

    Dawat e Islami are certainly Sunni and have no iota of nasibism in them. This was simply a mistake by them. If they were nasibi, do you think they would publish books like Bahar e Shariat which emphatically mention that Mawla Ali was correct and Amir Muawiyah made khatā ijtihādi?

    We are Ahlu's Sunnah and Dawat e Islami is our pride. We are all human and make mistakes. We are united with Dawat e Islami against enemies of Amir Muawiyah.

    We tread the middle path. Neither do we say they were BOTH faultless (Mawla Ali was but Amir Muawiyah made a mistake) nor do we revile any one of them. We mention both their merits without delving into their disagreements.

    رضي الله عنهم
    Last edited: Jun 11, 2018
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