Bleak House; Shaykh Asrar on Hamza Yusuf

Edit mod (aqdas): read the rules. You've attacked a sunni scholar on your very first post. Don't do it again.

 

That is Sami Yusuf next to Shaykh Yaqoubi. is Hamza Yusuf in Morocco to promote The Study Quran project ? just a question.

 

you gotta read some of the comments under that "Mahdi" thread to see just how seriously messed in the head some of these people are. they are excellent specimens for us to study to see why our elders warned against sophistry and philosophy (something RIS promotes) and why the Sufiyaa-e-kiraam always emphasized on learning the deen before venturing into tasawwuf.

 

Masoud and Tufail are Mark's leading fanboys.

Yet Mark recommends to read Dante and defends him. Mark is the great faqih and general after all.

Maybe others like Mark didn't want to give a negative to him as it would mean less facebook likes?

 

http://www.deenport.com/#Rise&Shine

Deenporters discussing Rushdie.

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Salman Rushdieclose | ▼
An interview with Salman Rushdie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP3V7b8RdQg

I think his points about the changing nature of Islam are quite insightful.
Comment...
Noufal Ibrahim ▲ +4 -7 2 days ago
Who?
Mazhar Iqbal ▲ +1 -0 1 day ago
Famous British Indian writer whose book "Midnights Children" has received the booker of bookers award.

One of his earlier books "The satanic verses" was controversial for some parts that mentions the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) in a non respectful way. People were riled up and Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa asking Muslims to kill the author.
Noufal Ibrahim ▲ +0 -1 1 day ago
Err..I think Mazhar was being sarcastic...
Mohammed Mumtaz ▲ +0 -0 1 day ago
He is bad. We is good. End.
Omar Tufail ▲ +0 -0 1 day ago
Don't know OT. I'm reading Midnights children right now and it's very well written.
Noufal Ibrahim ▲ +1 -0 17 hours ago
I was being sarcastic Noufal.
Omar Tufail ▲ +1 -0 16 hours ago
Midnight's Children was good... until I read a few more of his books and realised actually they are all so similar, it's like he has a stunted imagination for an author who critics fall over themselves to praise. And this was in my younger days when A-level English literature was fresh in my mind. Not that I am a great critic, but I remember being bitterly disappointed at how banal the other books were.
There is an author's style, that may be common across books, but when on aggregation, it is the same ideas, the same churn of scenarios, its dreadfully dull.
Adil.Malik ▲ +1 -1 16 hours ago
Well, I think that most authors and most artists in general spend their careers basically saying the same thing over and again in different ways, and it's not a bad thing provided that they have something interesting to say in the first place. But Rushdie's main theme just doesn't seem that interesting or insightful to me: 'When the superstitious world of religion clashes with the enlightened world of secular humanism, bad things can happen.' Well thank you for that, Salman.

Anyway, regarding the video at hand - could anyone who has watched it provide a summary of what he said? I'd watch it myself, but he gives me a headache because he both looks and sounds exactly as I have always imagined Lucifer does, so I don't like to watch him.

[Have I just wasted three minutes writing a post on a thread that is probably going to be deleted? Oh well.]
Khalid Williams ▲ +1 -0 14 hours ago
'he gives me a headache because he both looks and sounds exactly as I have always imagined Lucifer does, so I don't like to watch him.'

Funny you say that, cause I feel that same way about him too! The other person that I cannot bear to watch for the very same reason is Tony Blair.
Farzana Shakoor ▲ +1 -0 13 hours ago
I was going to give the post a "-" but as I consider Noufal a friend, I figured that there must be some value as to why he has posted something by Rushdie. Rushdie turns my stomach, so I too don't want to watch the video. However, that said, I don't really care for his observations on Islam and Muslims.
Mas'ud Khan ▲ +1 -1 9 hours ago 1 edit |
Why any Muslim would spend money on his books and fill his coffers is beyond me. Can't bear to look at the guy, never mind read his books, no matter how 'good' they may be. I'm with Imran Khan, who refused to share a stage with him at an event in India a while back.
Khalid Muneer ▲ +1 -0 6 hours ago 2 edits |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-173776 86
Khalid Muneer ▲ +0 -0 6 hours ago
Gonner Khan deserves a "-" just for his biased reasoning.
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Shaykh Naveed Jameel writes:

http://www.seekerspath.co.uk/questi...deobandis-should-we-take-knowledge-from-them/

 

another fake american

'At the latter words, the fiery pen of Ahmad Reza Khan wrote his Husam al-Haramayn [Sword of the Meccan and Medinan Sanctuaries], in which he condemned Thanwi, Saharanpuri, and other Deobandis—without referring to the context of their remarks, or what they had been written in reply to—and said: “All these groups [i.e. they and their followers] are kafirs, apostates, and renegades from Islam, by unanimous consensus of all Muslims” (Husam al-Haramayn (c00), 31), and that “whoever has doubts about [such a person’s] unbelief, or his being [eternally] punished, has himself committed kufr” (ibid.). Now, the temperament of Ahmad Reza Khan, with his acknowledged brilliance, doubtless played a role in this judgement, as did his love of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), which entailed withering scorn of those who did not share his somewhat EXOTIC prophetology, and finally outright anathema (takfir) of those who had emphasized the Prophet’s humanity (Allah bless him and give him peace) with what appeared to be at the expense of his dignity'


http://shadhilitariqa.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37

 

In spiritual matters, if you want to know the real from the counterfeit, see how they speak and relate themselves to the Prophet Muhammad (salla Allah 'alayhi wa alihi sallam). Those who minimize him or make him unimportant to the Path are schucksters and dajjals. Those who take him as the prism through which they witness Allah are the real deal.

~ Ustadh Abdul Aziz Suraqa

http://deenport.com/messages/view.php?t=29597

 

he wrote this

this is the fiqh of brother-sister interaction. facebook brings freedom

 

https://www.facebook.com/RadiantPearlstoJannah?ref=ts&fref=ts

This guy had a few hour conversation going on there. He threatened to delete opposing posts.

SHAME YOU CANNOT WRITE SOMETHING ON THE SUBJECT WITH YOUR POSITION.

 

"... and that shows that there are three hundred and sixty-four days when you might get unbirthday presents."
"Certainly," said Alice.
"And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!"
"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't — till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knockdown argument for you.'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knockdown argument,'" Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master — that's all."
Alice was too puzzled to say anything, so, after a minute, Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them — particularly verbs, they're the proudest: adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs. However, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"
"Would you tell me please," said Alice, "what that means?"
"Now you talk like a reasonable child," said Humpty Dumpty, looking very much pleased. I meant by 'impenetrability' that we've had enough of that subject, and it would be just as well if you'd mention what you mean to do next, as I suppose you don't mean to stop here all the rest of your life."
"That's a great deal to make one word mean," Alice said in a thoughtful tone.
"When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra."
"Oh!" said Alice. She was too much puzzled to make any other remark.
"Ah, you should see 'em come round me of a Saturday night," Humpty Dumpty went on, wagging his head gravely from side to side; "for to get their wages, you know."
(Alice did not venture to ask what he paid them with; and so, you see, I can't tell you.)
Alice in Wonderland & Through the Looking Glass, by Lewis Carroll, p. 238.

 

only applies to mark hanson, not to danyaal or asrar!

actually this person is ignorant of the sayings of the salaf in regards to the mubtadi3is and mulhids. adab of islam dictates that harshness be shown to them.

in any case, you can't be a public figure without getting some amount of fair or unfair criticism. in this case, it was extremely soft and fair by shaykhs danyaal and asrar

if you're such a pathetic nancy boy, that you take offense at someone pointing out your goatee, much less people picking you out on your heresies, then don't become a 'celebrity' and a public figure.

as they say in mark hanson's country, if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!

disclaimer - i am NOT a student of shaykh danyaal or shaykh asrar and never even heard of them until this fiasco. i only speak for myself.

 

Who is kellers murid talking about?

It's good to see brothers becoming serious students of knowledge and scholars in their own right, but please, if you don't have adab, then image of the donkey laden with books comes to mind!



Novid Shaid

Fri.12.Oct.2012

 

Khadimu786:

Hamza Yusuf was contacted and his views and comments were confirmed via Aftab Malik.

In hindsight this blog save 100's if not thousands from the fitna of the 'Lahori Ahmadi' sect.

Its made people know that perennialism is kufr, who were previously confused by Hamza's gibberish.

Its made people realise they cannot talk loosely about Prophets and Messengers alayhimussalam.

Its made Hamza retract a few things, and left him with food for thought.

Its made people realise that no one is perfect except Anbiya alayhimussalam and Ijma'.

Its made people realise the safest way is to follow Ijma' and the Ulama prior to us and weigh every modern scholar with the previous Ulama.

And many more points can be added to that.

 

Raja has got it spot on. Hamza the shaytan has started doing exactly what Raja Saab says!

Contemporary scholars have stated quite clearly that the gates of ijtihad were not closed. Indeed ijtihad is required in NEW matters e.g. organ donation, cloning, gene therapy and even praying in outer space! But why open the doors on issues which are agreed upon and 'ijma' if you like? Surely by saying we need to re-evaluate certain issues, we open the doors to re-evaluating everything: tawassul, following a madhhab, the prayer itself and so on.



Faisal Raja

Thu.11.Oct.2012

 

Khalid Williams has fallen for the bait by Seth. Doesn't Khalid know there is no Ijhtiad on qaati issues.

Hamzas co worker wrote the following



only intended to promote that same spirit. If this is

so, Muslim jurists would need to consider what

interests there may or may not be in the current

situation globally that would demand that we

continue to uphold the punishment for apostasy.

They should then weigh that consideration against

any other interests that perhaps conflict with

efforts to remain strict positivists who insist on blindly enforcing the letter of the law without reflection on the harms that would result from

doing so


Shaykh Abdullah bin Hamid Ali

http://www.lamppostproductio
ns.com/files/articles/PRESER
VING%20THE%20FREEDOM%20FOR%2
0FAITH.pdf

 

i haven't followed the whole argument on DP - I'm banned -- but this paragraph from whoever wrote it is powerful and makes a lot of sense.
If only they are consistent about its use to all and not just HY and others they like.

I think basically at some levels traditional islam is incompatible with the values of modern European secular liberal society and its values. To continue living in such societies we have to make compromises and how much we choose to compromise is a personal choice. I do think though that people who are extremely strict would find it hard to live here without being completely isolated.

That is my honest view and I know a lot of brothers on here will disagree but we all must make our choices...