Book: maslak e ikhtilal

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  1. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    some well-meaning and sincere scholars are indirectly responsible for helping those who opened the pandora's box. they can be excused for their honesty and inexperience, but we need to wait and watch how the frankenstein will be managed, now that it is let loose.

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    one simple su'al:

    respected mufti sahib

    kya kisi fasiq mu'lin ko fasiq kahne ke liye fatwa ki zarurat hai? masalan ek shaks daarhi mundata ya ek mutthi se kam katarwata hai. kya is ko fasiq kah saktey hain? agar koyi sunni sahihu'l aqidah, jis ki darHi sharayi had tak ho, tamam masayil e namaz janta ho, aur tajwid bhi durust ho - kya woh iske peeche namaz parh sakta hai? aur agar fasiq samajh kar apni jama'at khud banaye to us par kya hukm hai?

    ek pir sahib job khud bhi darhi katarwatey hain, aur mazameer ke saath sama'a `ala'l iylan suntey bhi haiN - balke chahtey hain ke ye awaam mein raayij ho; aur ye TV par ek mash'hur mufti sahib ke huzur iz'haar bhi kartey hain: un ka ye kahna hai, ke mujaddid hi tafsiq kar sakta hai, ghayr mujaddid nahin. to jitne mufti sahiban ghayr mujaddid, jo apne fatawa mein itni aasani se fasiq likh dete hain, un par kya hukm hai?

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    saqib's inability to understand the implication of his statement makes one smile at his 'world renowned research scholar' status.

    ya'ani mujaddid ne jis ki tafseeq ki hai, hum uska inkaar kar saktey hain. mujaddid ki mukhalifat karna bajaa hai, magar muwafiqat karna jayiz nahin hai. that is win-win you know!

    so if a mujaddid did tafseeq of those who trim their beards, we can openly oppose him and say: "mujaddid sahib. all we need is your name to sell our wares. we don't need your informed opinion, nor your proofs. all we need is your name to rope in the gullible public and gullible ulama. we will do what is useful/beneficial for us. if necessary we will even distort your statements to claim that you support us."

    ab drama dikhayega kya scene
    pardah uthne ki muntazar hai nigah
     
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  2. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    further into the video he says "woh mujaddid hai is liye woh tafseeq kar sakte hain. hum nahi kar sakte".

    new principle of fiqh - he should add it to the corpus of usul literature:
    1. Shari'ah is different for a mujaddid and a non-mujaddid.
    2. Mujaddid can give certain rulings which others cannot.
    3. Even so, it is not mandatory to obey this "exceptional" ruling of the mujaddid.
    4. Nor is it allowed to quote that ruling. It only exists to be written in gilded lettering on glossy paper, sprinkled with oud, framed in redwood, gift-wrapped and placed in a locker in the dungeon.
    Do nonsense and balderdash have any limits?
     
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  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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    Saqib did not disappoint. I had a strong hunch he would do this. He is a seasoned old hand who knows well how to play to the gallery.

    These days the words "taaj al-shari'ah" work like magic. The popular sentiment quickly melts in favor of anyone who praises taaj al-shari'ah.

    This is business time - conversion rates are high and customer loyalty is guaranteed.

    But besides invoking the magic word, saqib also did what he is best at doing - lying cleverly - leaving a small space for deniability.

    At the start of the video he says: "mujh ko bataya gaya hai ke hamari kitaab ke kuchh chapters huzur taaj al-shari'ah ki bargaah me padh kar sunaae gae"

    what he wants the aawaam to think is that his pack of lies has been endorsed by hazrat. Given that now hazrat will not come back to refute attribution of this lies to him - we know that it's a clever move - a gamester and conartist would gives saqib a genial pat on the back for it.

    Needless to say, it's a disgusting, cheap, mean and low thing to do - abuse the name of a departed soul and the trust of the simple awaam.


    well-done saqib. with this you have established yourself as a bonafide liar.

    for saqib, the path henceforward only leads to further dense thickets of misconduct. As far as I can see, he's lost the game to the devil.

    We seek Allah's refuge from becoming like him.
     
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  4. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    This is opening the doors to a free for all and pick and mix Islam.

    Trimming below a fistful is fisq? Ok, I'll change my opinion that it isn't wajib to have a fist so hey, I'm not a fasiq any more!

    Music is fisq? Ok, I'll change from Alahazrat's stance and now I'm not a fasiq.

    This is making a joke of shariah. Follow nafs. Change rules. No one will be a fasiq any more.
     
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  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    and the thought and belief of the murtakib is not bound by any conditions - he can think-and-believe a different thing - even mutually exclusive things - at different occasions and still be right always.

    truth then is a transient entity, depending on an individuals mood/inclinations.whims and/or his ease and dunyawi preferences.

    I don't recognize this as the shari'ah of the perfect deen of Islam but some gross mutation of it.

    And Allah ta'ala knows best.
     
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  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    forgot to mention, saqib has dedicated this book to mufti maznoor ahamd faizi sahib himself.

    is he making a mockery of the late mawlana? - "peer sab you didn't know this. I have done this great research using the priceless pick-and-choose-hide-and-lie methodology. here's to you."

    la Hawla wa la quwwata illa bi Allah
     
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  7. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    tafsiq can only be done in two case according to the book:

    1. when the hurmat is ijmai
    2. in the case of a differed upon ruling whereby the doer considers the act haram

    this begs the question: can a mufti of a certain madhhab do tafsiq of a muqallid within that madhhab for carrying out an act that is haram within the madhhab but not haram by ijma? For example, can a hanafi mufti do tafsiq of a person who misses jama’ah intentionally? It is known that the ruling regarding jama’ah within the masjid is not ijmai. In fact, within the hanafi madhhab itself, there are 6 positions regarding jama’ah [see fatawa ridawiyyah 7/101]. however, the qawl that it is wajib or at least sunnat e mu'akkadah is the preferred stance [see radd al-muhtar].

    now, in light of maslak e i'tidal, consider the following scenario -

    zaid, a knowledgeable man, though not a scholar, acknowledges the preferred stance in the hanafi madhhab but after reading maslak e i'tidal he misses jama'ah intentionally and says: missing jama'ah intentionally is not haram and you cannot call me a fasiq because it is not haram by ijma.

    or he says:
    i take the position that it is mustahab and do not agree with it being wajib, hence you cannot call me fasiq for habitually missing the jama'ah.

    the book would have you believe that in both cases, zaid is correct and a mufti cannot say he is fasiq. in fact, you should not even consider such a person as doing anything wrong. after all, it depends on the thought and belief of the murtakib (see here). this is the understanding of a young pir without an education.

    now see what the mufti to whom all muftis turn says [summarised]:
    the one who habitually misses the jama'ah or does not attend the masjid, he is a fasiq and a fasiq is not capable of being followed [in imamat] [fatawa ridawiyyah 7/206].

    just below, he says:
    when questioned about a person who considers praying salah with jama'ah as mustahab, he writes -
    if he believes jama'ah to be mustahab in the sense that he does not consider it wajib or sunnat e mu'akkadah and merely sees it as a desirable act, he is severely incorrect and seriously mistaken, and opposes authenticated ahadith and the statements found in all fiqh books. [fatawa ridawiyyah 206-207]

    nevertheless, despite the ruling on jama'ah not being ijmai, despite it being differed upon within the hanafi madhhab, the one who intentionally and habitually misses jama'ah has been labelled a fasiq [see fatawa ridawiyyah volume 7]. why? ponder o saqib.

    more on this, in light of maslak e i'tidal, later in sha Allah.
     
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  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    From what I have read, I believe that Alahazrat's fatawa have sufficient proofs to refute these sha'dhiyyah.

    In scores of places he's explained the principles in great detail, complete with references from books of hanafi usul.

    Oh yes that book is worth reading too, especially the opening and ending passages - he movingly writes that this deen has been watered with the blood of martyrs and that it is a moral obligation to defend it's practices and prevent people from trifling with it's principles.

    He says, we are sinners and do not claim ismah, but this deen of ours is too precious to be left to those who wish to distort it suit their personal tastes.

    This then, if nothing else, should encourage us to refute the likes of saqib.
     
  9. Juwayni

    Juwayni Well-Known Member


    السلام عليكم ورحمه الله وبركاته. يا مولانا صاحب


    الحمدلله


    I may sound like an under-developed neophyte, but to state the obvious, in order address 'the pick as you please for the sake of nafsanic ease' Usul from the Madhab of the Shadhiyya (credit to Ustadh @Bazdawi for that one) we see in circulation, we should perhaps explain
    what aqwaal are, how they can be strong or weak, and why we follow rajih ones to begin with.
     
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  10. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    Although one thing I want to make mention of is that our ulema across indo-pak, including saqib saheb’s murshid, mawlana manzur ahmad fayzi saheb (who wrote an entire booklet on the obligation of a fistful beard), have issued fatwas consistently for decades that a person who trims his beard is a fasiq e mu’lin, that salah behind such a person is severely disliked and to make such a person a pir is impermissible.

    I can present as daleel more than a hundred fatwas from dozens of senior, eminent ulema of indo-pak on this matter. But it’s a shame that a fasiq like him is shown so much respect by ulema in India and Pakistan. This is contrary to the amal and fatwa of our senior ulema and is unacceptable.

    Did all of our ulema miss the principles as explained by saqib in his book. Shall we just ignore all the fatawa of our senior scholars because a young pir who hasn’t studied the deen formally wrote a small booklet on this topic.

    I will highlight the inconsistencies and weakness of his book and his points therein whenever I get time in sha Allah.
     
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  11. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    not to my knowledge. although I think it is important for the ulema to write a response. otherwise people will start engaging in all sorts of haram acts like music, dramas, dancing, shaving the beard etc and use this book as a defence.

    I have hope that at least the knowledgable brothers here will expose the weakness in the arguments laid out in the book.

    In sha Allah wa ma tawfiqi illa billah.
     
  12. sunni12

    sunni12 New Member

    Is there any written response to the book with references?
     
  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    yes brother you are right. that is the summa totalis of this book:

    "the correct way to avoid committing haram is to consider the act halal"

    what bliss!

    as for stopping it, well, fitna breaks out easily and quickly, especially in these times of nafs-worship, but it takes years to curb it. think tahirul padri. think mark hanson. think nuh keller.

    no wonder the hadith says:

    "fitnah is asleep. cursed is the one who awakens it".

    but I am not worried, this deen is not yateem - Allah is sufficient to protect it. He gives some people rope until they begin to feel they will never be held to account - and then comes retribution - swift as lighting, severe as fire, more terrible than an earthquake.

    saqib's time is running out ...

    nas'al Allahu ta'ala al aafiyah
     
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  14. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    This fitnah needs to be stopped. This book basically provides an excuse for people who want to engage in haram acts under the guise of 'ikhtilaf'.

    Therefore: How to avoid tafsiq despite engaging in haram acts in light of maslak e i'tidal:
    1. say that you believe the act to be halal and consider it to be an ikhtilafi issue (as long as the act is not ijmai haram) even if the stance is weak and contrary to the rajih qawl in the madhhab.
    2. you can now do a certain haram act (that is not haram by ijma), without any one else having a right to call you a fasiq.
     
  15. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    This is a further list of fataawa on beard and music issue by scholars at http://www.seekerspath.co.uk

    https://tinyurl.com/y99z6ea5

    https://tinyurl.com/y9b3fpau

    https://tinyurl.com/yaxn9zbw

    https://tinyurl.com/y9c75lrm

    https://tinyurl.com/y8zqbweq

    https://tinyurl.com/yb8rhyng

    These are all sunni hanfi razvi ulama.

    You can read about the qualifications of all these ulama here:

    https://tinyurl.com/y85skskq

    https://tinyurl.com/yaldp9cd

    https://tinyurl.com/ybrg8x27

    and of-couse Mawlana Shams ul huda Misbaahi sahab is a well known figure.

    now are all these ulama the victims of talbees -e- iblees as well?
     
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  16. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I just noticed that the video attached in post#48 - which showed mureeds dancing to music and showering notes on the musician with saqib seated on his "throne" has been quietly deleted from youtube.

    I am glad they are doing this. Shows that internally they to know that this is a deplorable thing and a source of humiliation and gives excuse to the enemies of ahlussunnah to pint fingers at sunnis.

    I hope saqib also does ruju' from this book - otherwise it will only be a damage-control measure with no real remorse.

    wa maa tawfeeq illa bi Allah.
     
  17. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    "meray friend ke pir Sahab he vo saiyed (aale resul) he or vo dadhi nhi rakhte to uski bait Le skte he kya?"

    http://jamiaturraza.com/session/8Feb15/30.mp3

    As per huzur taj al-shari'ah too, bayt to beardless peers is impermissible.

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    "Jo yeh kahe ke ek mutthi dadhi rakhna sirf Sunnat hai wajib nahin aur kehne wala Sunni Hanafi hai, aise k bare me kya hukm hai?"

    http://jamiaturraza.com/session/9Feb14/6.mp3

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    "Kya Dadhi har musalmaan par waajib hai? Na rakhne wala gunehgaar hai? Iska Namaz se koi taalluk hai?"

    http://jamiaturraza.com/session/17May09/18.mp3

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    "Indian supreme court ne students ko dadhi rakhne per pabandi lagayi hai.isse muslim students ko bahut pareshani ho rahi hai.please aap iska radd karte hue hamari himayat farmayen."

    http://jamiaturraza.com/session/050409/6.mp3

    India's supreme court can now use saqib shaami's book to legitimize ban on beards:

    "Muslims don't have to keep beards, so in interests of national security we can ban the beards, after all, it's not a religious obligation so why protest? For Sikhs, it is religiously binding so we won't trouble them."
     
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  18. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    see, first the Arabs took their cue from the mushrikin of East (parsis and hindoos) and the West (Christians, Jews, atheists) and started shortening and shaving their beards. As was expected, they were confronted for this and so they started finding 'proofs' for this from Shari'ah.

    Then these 'students of deen' from east and west, go to syria, egypt for a few months or a few years and return with these same newly found 'proofs' for abandoning the sunnah. They don't bring back much knowledge - many of them can hardly speak decent Arabic - and yet they become Allamahs, fahhamas and ashaab-e-tarjeeh in these matters.

    Just because some Arabs do it, it must be permissible. Basically, what went round, came round.

    They don't learn principles of fiqh and aqaid or kalam but they do learn that music is halal and trimming beards is halaal and that there is no need to adhere to a specific madhhab and videography is absolutely permissible - as if these are the only things available in the middle-east.

    They even go to the extent of discouraging the youth from learning proofs for their religious beliefs - the youth who study and live in the temples of atheism a.k.a. secular universities - where dawkingses and hawkinges and harrises take the place of Pan of the ancient pagan shrines.

    It is a self-evident fact that knowledge aids conviction and is a buffer against sophistry - but no - they should be kept dumb - because for some people, ignorance is, quite literally, bliss.
     
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  19. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    some who claim to love the Holy Prophet keep long hair* (zulf) - which is fine; at the same time, they do not want to keep a proper beard; strange isn't it?

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    * it should not be touching their shoulders.
     
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  20. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    "Mai shafai hun. Hamare yaha kuch shafai ulma e kiram hai unka yeh kehna hai k imam shafai k nazdik agar koi shaks dadhi puri nikal bhi dega to woh shaks fasiq nahi huwa. Agar koi shafai imam agar ek musht se choti dadhi rakhte hai to unke piche namaz hogi ya nahin hogi?"

    Answered by huzur taaj al-shariah.

    http://jamiaturraza.com/session/18May14/9.mp3


    When it comes to following without being able to investigate and weigh the evidences one-self, it is obvious that the safest path is to follow the God-fearing Senior Ulema who have spent their whole lives in learning and teaching.

    Those who provide examples of some arabs and say that ulama from the subcont insist on these rulings just because they are living inside a well and have not interacted with the wider muslim community such as in Syria or Egypt are patently wrong.

    Alahazrat interacted with ulama of all madhhabs in Makkah and Madina shareef including the Qadi of the shafi'is - Imam zayni dahlaan. Huzur taaj al-shari'ah has spent several years in Azhar where all sorts of free-thinkers and madhhab liberalists routinely publish hotch-potch fatwas. So the excuse of lack of interaction which, surprisingly enough, sunni "la-madhhabis" give, in an obvious attempt to kill the snake without breaking the stick, does not apply in the case of hazrat.

    Alahzart's risala 'Lam'atud-dhuHa'a-fi-i'faail-liHaa' is an eye-opening must read for all sunnis. He has piled up proofs upon proofs which no one can refute.

    The maslak of alahazrat - which is the real maslak-e-itidaal - is clear and manifest. The sun does not vanish just because 'be-baseerat be-basaarat' blind men cant see it.

    Allah ta'ala knows best and tawfeeq is from Him.
     

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