Book: maslak e ikhtilal

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    From what I have read, I believe that Alahazrat's fatawa have sufficient proofs to refute these sha'dhiyyah.

    In scores of places he's explained the principles in great detail, complete with references from books of hanafi usul.

    Oh yes that book is worth reading too, especially the opening and ending passages - he movingly writes that this deen has been watered with the blood of martyrs and that it is a moral obligation to defend it's practices and prevent people from trifling with it's principles.

    He says, we are sinners and do not claim ismah, but this deen of ours is too precious to be left to those who wish to distort it suit their personal tastes.

    This then, if nothing else, should encourage us to refute the likes of saqib.
  2. Juwayni

    Juwayni Well-Known Member

    السلام عليكم ورحمه الله وبركاته. يا مولانا صاحب


    I may sound like an under-developed neophyte, but to state the obvious, in order address 'the pick as you please for the sake of nafsanic ease' Usul from the Madhab of the Shadhiyya (credit to Ustadh @Bazdawi for that one) we see in circulation, we should perhaps explain
    what aqwaal are, how they can be strong or weak, and why we follow rajih ones to begin with.
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  3. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    Although one thing I want to make mention of is that our ulema across indo-pak, including saqib saheb’s murshid, mawlana manzur ahmad fayzi saheb (who wrote an entire booklet on the obligation of a fistful beard), have issued fatwas consistently for decades that a person who trims his beard is a fasiq e mu’lin, that salah behind such a person is severely disliked and to make such a person a pir is impermissible.

    I can present as daleel more than a hundred fatwas from dozens of senior, eminent ulema of indo-pak on this matter. But it’s a shame that a fasiq like him is shown so much respect by ulema in India and Pakistan. This is contrary to the amal and fatwa of our senior ulema and is unacceptable.

    Did all of our ulema miss the principles as explained by saqib in his book. Shall we just ignore all the fatawa of our senior scholars because a young pir who hasn’t studied the deen formally wrote a small booklet on this topic.

    I will highlight the inconsistencies and weakness of his book and his points therein whenever I get time in sha Allah.
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  4. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    not to my knowledge. although I think it is important for the ulema to write a response. otherwise people will start engaging in all sorts of haram acts like music, dramas, dancing, shaving the beard etc and use this book as a defence.

    I have hope that at least the knowledgable brothers here will expose the weakness in the arguments laid out in the book.

    In sha Allah wa ma tawfiqi illa billah.
  5. sunni12

    sunni12 New Member

    Is there any written response to the book with references?
  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    yes brother you are right. that is the summa totalis of this book:

    "the correct way to avoid committing haram is to consider the act halal"

    what bliss!

    as for stopping it, well, fitna breaks out easily and quickly, especially in these times of nafs-worship, but it takes years to curb it. think tahirul padri. think mark hanson. think nuh keller.

    no wonder the hadith says:

    "fitnah is asleep. cursed is the one who awakens it".

    but I am not worried, this deen is not yateem - Allah is sufficient to protect it. He gives some people rope until they begin to feel they will never be held to account - and then comes retribution - swift as lighting, severe as fire, more terrible than an earthquake.

    saqib's time is running out ...

    nas'al Allahu ta'ala al aafiyah
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  7. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    This fitnah needs to be stopped. This book basically provides an excuse for people who want to engage in haram acts under the guise of 'ikhtilaf'.

    Therefore: How to avoid tafsiq despite engaging in haram acts in light of maslak e i'tidal:
    1. say that you believe the act to be halal and consider it to be an ikhtilafi issue (as long as the act is not ijmai haram) even if the stance is weak and contrary to the rajih qawl in the madhhab.
    2. you can now do a certain haram act (that is not haram by ijma), without any one else having a right to call you a fasiq.
  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    This is a further list of fataawa on beard and music issue by scholars at

    These are all sunni hanfi razvi ulama.

    You can read about the qualifications of all these ulama here:

    and of-couse Mawlana Shams ul huda Misbaahi sahab is a well known figure.

    now are all these ulama the victims of talbees -e- iblees as well?
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  9. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I just noticed that the video attached in post#48 - which showed mureeds dancing to music and showering notes on the musician with saqib seated on his "throne" has been quietly deleted from youtube.

    I am glad they are doing this. Shows that internally they to know that this is a deplorable thing and a source of humiliation and gives excuse to the enemies of ahlussunnah to pint fingers at sunnis.

    I hope saqib also does ruju' from this book - otherwise it will only be a damage-control measure with no real remorse.

    wa maa tawfeeq illa bi Allah.
  10. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    "meray friend ke pir Sahab he vo saiyed (aale resul) he or vo dadhi nhi rakhte to uski bait Le skte he kya?"

    As per huzur taj al-shari'ah too, bayt to beardless peers is impermissible.


    "Jo yeh kahe ke ek mutthi dadhi rakhna sirf Sunnat hai wajib nahin aur kehne wala Sunni Hanafi hai, aise k bare me kya hukm hai?"


    "Kya Dadhi har musalmaan par waajib hai? Na rakhne wala gunehgaar hai? Iska Namaz se koi taalluk hai?"


    "Indian supreme court ne students ko dadhi rakhne per pabandi lagayi hai.isse muslim students ko bahut pareshani ho rahi hai.please aap iska radd karte hue hamari himayat farmayen."

    India's supreme court can now use saqib shaami's book to legitimize ban on beards:

    "Muslims don't have to keep beards, so in interests of national security we can ban the beards, after all, it's not a religious obligation so why protest? For Sikhs, it is religiously binding so we won't trouble them."
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  11. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    see, first the Arabs took their cue from the mushrikin of East (parsis and hindoos) and the West (Christians, Jews, atheists) and started shortening and shaving their beards. As was expected, they were confronted for this and so they started finding 'proofs' for this from Shari'ah.

    Then these 'students of deen' from east and west, go to syria, egypt for a few months or a few years and return with these same newly found 'proofs' for abandoning the sunnah. They don't bring back much knowledge - many of them can hardly speak decent Arabic - and yet they become Allamahs, fahhamas and ashaab-e-tarjeeh in these matters.

    Just because some Arabs do it, it must be permissible. Basically, what went round, came round.

    They don't learn principles of fiqh and aqaid or kalam but they do learn that music is halal and trimming beards is halaal and that there is no need to adhere to a specific madhhab and videography is absolutely permissible - as if these are the only things available in the middle-east.

    They even go to the extent of discouraging the youth from learning proofs for their religious beliefs - the youth who study and live in the temples of atheism a.k.a. secular universities - where dawkingses and hawkinges and harrises take the place of Pan of the ancient pagan shrines.

    It is a self-evident fact that knowledge aids conviction and is a buffer against sophistry - but no - they should be kept dumb - because for some people, ignorance is, quite literally, bliss.
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  12. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    some who claim to love the Holy Prophet keep long hair* (zulf) - which is fine; at the same time, they do not want to keep a proper beard; strange isn't it?

    * it should not be touching their shoulders.
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  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    "Mai shafai hun. Hamare yaha kuch shafai ulma e kiram hai unka yeh kehna hai k imam shafai k nazdik agar koi shaks dadhi puri nikal bhi dega to woh shaks fasiq nahi huwa. Agar koi shafai imam agar ek musht se choti dadhi rakhte hai to unke piche namaz hogi ya nahin hogi?"

    Answered by huzur taaj al-shariah.

    When it comes to following without being able to investigate and weigh the evidences one-self, it is obvious that the safest path is to follow the God-fearing Senior Ulema who have spent their whole lives in learning and teaching.

    Those who provide examples of some arabs and say that ulama from the subcont insist on these rulings just because they are living inside a well and have not interacted with the wider muslim community such as in Syria or Egypt are patently wrong.

    Alahazrat interacted with ulama of all madhhabs in Makkah and Madina shareef including the Qadi of the shafi'is - Imam zayni dahlaan. Huzur taaj al-shari'ah has spent several years in Azhar where all sorts of free-thinkers and madhhab liberalists routinely publish hotch-potch fatwas. So the excuse of lack of interaction which, surprisingly enough, sunni "la-madhhabis" give, in an obvious attempt to kill the snake without breaking the stick, does not apply in the case of hazrat.

    Alahzart's risala 'Lam'atud-dhuHa'a-fi-i'faail-liHaa' is an eye-opening must read for all sunnis. He has piled up proofs upon proofs which no one can refute.

    The maslak of alahazrat - which is the real maslak-e-itidaal - is clear and manifest. The sun does not vanish just because 'be-baseerat be-basaarat' blind men cant see it.

    Allah ta'ala knows best and tawfeeq is from Him.
  14. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    His teachers and where he studied are listed in this wiki. I don't know who wrote that or how authentic it is but that is the publicly available info.

    he is definitely not a Mufti. however, brother, the first question you should be asking is whether he is even a qualified aalim.

    that brings us to the all too large and oft repeated question - what makes a person an aalim?

    attending dars-e-nizami classes? spending some time in syria or egypt? the obvious answer is, no.

    the real conditions or the definition of an aalim is very stringent. Saqib definitely does not fulfill them.

    I don't know how many of those generally accepted as 'aalim' actually fulfill those rigorous conditions. Many are 'aalim' only in the 'urfi sense.

    secondly, the proof is in the pudding. does he come across as an aalim when he speaks?

    compare his talks to those of real scholars and the difference is obvious.

    he is a gifted speaker no doubt (people like that sort of oratory, though I am personally not a fan of such things) but does that automatically confer upon him the title of aalim? no it doesn't.

    he is sunni and if he only eschewed his penchant for fame and glory, his aberrations and wild proclamations, he could be a valuable asset to sunnis. but then we could say the same thing about so many orators out there.

    He has the doors open, if he makes sincere efforts maybe he can become an aalim and the tawfeeq is from Allah ta'ala.

    lastly, where are the certifications? of dars-e-nizami, of study in syria and Pakistan? do asaneed handed out by a shaykh just as encouragement or for attending a hadith dars count as a certificate of aalim? no thinking person would say that.

    if saqib had the knowledge and didn't commit his gaffes we could keep entertain the idea that he might be an aalim. But his record is against him.

    I know this does not answer all of your questions but consider these as further questions which kanz ul huda should clarify.

    Qtv proclaims him as, "World Renowned Research Scholar" and his latest book proclaims him an "Allamah".

    If claims were horses ....
  15. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    Does anyone know where / by whom saqib shami has studied? How long has he studied? Is he a qualified Mufti?
  16. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    The front page of this book is an affront to the upright jurists of Islam:-

    maslak e iytedaal.PNG

    This book (maslak e i'tidal) is an eye opener - that shakes up the issuers of decrees (muftis / jurists) who are duped by the devil, and that invites the serious honorable jurists to ponder.

    In short, those who give fatawa of fisq are actually duped by the devil; and those who allow such things are serious and honorable.

    We ask them to kindly list the names of these 2 types of jurists. That will certainly be an eye-opener.
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  17. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    a short summary for those do not understand Urdu.

    a clean-shaven man i.e. faasiq mo'lin (open transgressor) is not fit for pronouncing the Adhaan, leave aside being an Imam (Prayer Leader) or Pir (spiritual guide) or a leader of the Ummah (nation).
  18. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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  19. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I missed this last time. Excellent exposition:

    This was posted by brother @kaydani1 in this thread.

    Every word is worth hanging on to. It is a very potent refutation of saqib and his hallucinations which he calls 'maslak-e-itidaal'.

    Anyone who had any doubts that saqib is opposing explicit verdics from fataawa razawiyyah shareef - this must dispel it altogether.
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  20. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    now since we have a long list of masaael that scholars differ about, I wonder - for example - if these can be done INSIDE THE MOSQUES:-

    # 1. setting up a barber's shop INSIDE THE MOSQUE, to shave off people's beards (or let's say, shorten them).
    # 2. have a grand qawwali program INSIDE THE MOSQUE, with beardless, cap-less, non-praying singers, shrieking out syllables accompanied with the orchestra (even if the Kalaam is not faulty).
    # 3. add to # 2 - musicians clapping like eunuchs (actually this is necessary part of the orchestra)
    # 4. add to # 2 - throw in a bit of "raqs" (dance).
    # 5. have a few women attend the occasion.
    # 6. seat the pir sahab on the minbar, (YES, THAT'S INSIDE THE MOSQUE) and do sajdah e taazeemi.
    # 7. film the whole thing - of course - for our children to have evidence of jawaaz.

    please don't open the Pandora's box.
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