Book: maslak e ikhtilal

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    His teachers and where he studied are listed in this wiki. I don't know who wrote that or how authentic it is but that is the publicly available info.

    he is definitely not a Mufti. however, brother, the first question you should be asking is whether he is even a qualified aalim.

    that brings us to the all too large and oft repeated question - what makes a person an aalim?

    attending dars-e-nizami classes? spending some time in syria or egypt? the obvious answer is, no.

    the real conditions or the definition of an aalim is very stringent. Saqib definitely does not fulfill them.

    I don't know how many of those generally accepted as 'aalim' actually fulfill those rigorous conditions. Many are 'aalim' only in the 'urfi sense.

    secondly, the proof is in the pudding. does he come across as an aalim when he speaks?

    compare his talks to those of real scholars and the difference is obvious.

    he is a gifted speaker no doubt (people like that sort of oratory, though I am personally not a fan of such things) but does that automatically confer upon him the title of aalim? no it doesn't.

    he is sunni and if he only eschewed his penchant for fame and glory, his aberrations and wild proclamations, he could be a valuable asset to sunnis. but then we could say the same thing about so many orators out there.

    He has the doors open, if he makes sincere efforts maybe he can become an aalim and the tawfeeq is from Allah ta'ala.

    lastly, where are the certifications? of dars-e-nizami, of study in syria and Pakistan? do asaneed handed out by a shaykh just as encouragement or for attending a hadith dars count as a certificate of aalim? no thinking person would say that.

    if saqib had the knowledge and didn't commit his gaffes we could keep entertain the idea that he might be an aalim. But his record is against him.

    I know this does not answer all of your questions but consider these as further questions which kanz ul huda should clarify.

    Qtv proclaims him as, "World Renowned Research Scholar" and his latest book proclaims him an "Allamah".

    If claims were horses ....
  2. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    Does anyone know where / by whom saqib shami has studied? How long has he studied? Is he a qualified Mufti?
  3. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    The front page of this book is an affront to the upright jurists of Islam:-

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    This book (maslak e i'tidal) is an eye opener - that shakes up the issuers of decrees (muftis / jurists) who are duped by the devil, and that invites the serious honorable jurists to ponder.

    In short, those who give fatawa of fisq are actually duped by the devil; and those who allow such things are serious and honorable.

    We ask them to kindly list the names of these 2 types of jurists. That will certainly be an eye-opener.
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  4. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    a short summary for those do not understand Urdu.

    a clean-shaven man i.e. faasiq mo'lin (open transgressor) is not fit for pronouncing the Adhaan, leave aside being an Imam (Prayer Leader) or Pir (spiritual guide) or a leader of the Ummah (nation).
  5. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    reply to the claim that Alahazrat is alone in declaring fist-full beard wajib:

    -- video removed: but interested brothers can search our forums for info on this subject --
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  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    I missed this last time. Excellent exposition:

    -- video removed: but interested brothers can search our forums for info on this subject --

    This was posted by brother @kaydani1 in this thread.

    Every word is worth hanging on to. It is a very potent refutation of saqib and his hallucinations which he calls 'maslak-e-itidaal'.

    Anyone who had any doubts that saqib is opposing explicit verdicts from fataawa razawiyyah shareef - this must dispel it altogether.
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  7. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    now since we have a long list of masaael that scholars differ about, I wonder - for example - if these can be done INSIDE THE MOSQUES:-

    # 1. setting up a barber's shop INSIDE THE MOSQUE, to shave off people's beards (or let's say, shorten them).
    # 2. have a grand qawwali program INSIDE THE MOSQUE, with beardless, cap-less, non-praying singers, shrieking out syllables accompanied with the orchestra (even if the Kalaam is not faulty).
    # 3. add to # 2 - musicians clapping like eunuchs (actually this is necessary part of the orchestra)
    # 4. add to # 2 - throw in a bit of "raqs" (dance).
    # 5. have a few women attend the occasion.
    # 6. seat the pir sahab on the minbar, (YES, THAT'S INSIDE THE MOSQUE) and do sajdah e taazeemi.
    # 7. film the whole thing - of course - for our children to have evidence of jawaaz.

    please don't open the Pandora's box.
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  8. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    the list is growing:-

    prostration to the pir sahab: bro, there is ikhtelaf in this too!
    free mixing of sexes in religious gatherings: check history - women were allowed to come to mosques earlier!
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  9. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    just an update; Hazrat does not peruse through books any more (since 5 plus years) because of the impairment; sometimes he listens to parts being read to him, especially if someone wants to ask him a question regarding it - that's all.

    and nowadays he is too busy with other, far more important works.
  10. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    qawwali and sajadah to a "peer":

    -- video removed: can't believe even this video was seen as a threat, seriously :) --

    can saqibists prove that the above is haram or fisq while still adhering to the principles laid out in the book?

    one could claim, that as per the book, the above is jaiz. in other words, saqib shami permits sajdah e tazimi. [note: not my accusation, but that is the implication of the book].
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  11. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    You’re throwing a lot of stuff around. Do you have proof of this? Being presented a book and being asked to endorse a book are different things completely. You expect us to believe that Huzur Tajush Shariah (hafizahullah) was presented this book and he agreed with its contents?
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  12. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider Shajar-e-Sharjeel Shajar-e-Uthman

    This is of course for all adherents of the Hanafi Mazhab, true?
  13. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider Shajar-e-Sharjeel Shajar-e-Uthman

    What is considered fusiq poetry?
    Is it by genre or content forms of poetry, or songs (sung).
    I am quite fond of such love poems/songs(just the lyrics) of both ishq majazi and ishq haqiqi.
  14. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    okay. alahazrat and taj al-shariah's position are clear.

    let's hear more excuses and more endorsements.
  15. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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  17. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    waqar-ul-fatawa-volume 1-pg-167.png

    this is not a general fatwa - this is about a specific person.
  18. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Let us see how much you value the opinions of huzur taaj al-shari'ah:

    huzur taj al shari'ah says that the claim that buzurgan-e-deen allowed mazameer is an iftira upon them:

    Q: Qawwali ya Simaa Mazameer (Aalaat-e-Mosiqi) k sath Jaiz nahin. Jo sama buzurgaan-e-deen mein raaijtha uski kia soorat thi aur kia aaj iss zamanay mein wesa sama mun'aqid kia jata hay?


    Q: mahfil e sama kya hai, phle kaisi hua karti thi, or ab kaisi hona chaie silsila e chistiya ke hisab se or hwale ke sath btaie?

    Q: Kya Khwaja Gareeb Nawaz Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anh Mehfil e Sama mein shirkat karte thay? Agar haan to kaisi Mehfil e Sama?

    Q: Zaid mazamir k sath qawwali sunta he. Kya wo gunahgar hoga? Jabki kai khanvada e ashrafiya k Buzurgan e deen bhi (jese ki Huzoor ashrafi miya) mazamir k sath qawwali sunte the. Islah farmaye

    so where does he say - it is halal for those who follow ashrafi miya?

    Q: Qawwali Sunna aur parrhna kesa hay?
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  19. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    when they feel that the wind is in their favor - alahazrat, taj al-shari'ah suddenly become the touchstone who cannot be wrong. and when they feel like it - their's is just one opinion - doesn't mean everyone must follow them.
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  20. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    you have avoided direct questions because you have blind faith in saqib shami.

    I knew that the reference is from FR - so what? one can draw any conclusions from it?

    i have read the book with a sunni mufti. so relax.

    ah the person who doesn't listen to reason - must we reason with him? he is not even a scholar - an orator with a hunger for fame.

    this is the same raza academy who have invited saqib shami multiple times to bombay, it's no surprise if they are promoting his book.

    where is the proof that it was reviewed by hazrat? obviously, it must have been read to him. how much of it?

    you can believe in hearsay - you want to believe that your peer is right. I can't help it.

    We have people claiming all sorts of things about huzur taj al shariah. doesn't mean we will believe them.


    I know a lot more things. please don't suppose I'll shy away from speaking when I feel the need for it.
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