Book: maslak e ikhtilal

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  1. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    the list is growing:-

    prostration to the pir sahab: bro, there is ikhtelaf in this too!
    free mixing of sexes in religious gatherings: check history - women were allowed to come to mosques earlier!
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  2. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    just an update; Hazrat does not peruse through books any more (since 5 plus years) because of the impairment; sometimes he listens to parts being read to him, especially if someone wants to ask him a question regarding it - that's all.

    and nowadays he is too busy with other, far more important works.
  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    qawwali and sajadah to a "peer":

    can saqibists prove that the above is haram or fisq while still adhering to the principles laid out in the book?

    one could claim, that as per the book, the above is jaiz. in other words, saqib shami permits sajdah e tazimi. [note: not my accusation, but that is the implication of the book].
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  4. ridawi

    ridawi Muhammadi Sunni Hanafi

    You’re throwing a lot of stuff around. Do you have proof of this? Being presented a book and being asked to endorse a book are different things completely. You expect us to believe that Huzur Tajush Shariah (hafizahullah) was presented this book and he agreed with its contents?
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  5. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider Shajar-e-Sharjeel Shajar-e-Uthman

    This is of course for all adherents of the Hanafi Mazhab, true?
  6. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider Shajar-e-Sharjeel Shajar-e-Uthman

    What is considered fusiq poetry?
    Is it by genre or content forms of poetry, or songs (sung).
    I am quite fond of such love poems/songs(just the lyrics) of both ishq majazi and ishq haqiqi.
  7. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    okay. alahazrat and taj al-shariah's position are clear.

    let's hear more excuses and more endorsements.
  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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  10. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    waqar-ul-fatawa-volume 1-pg-167.png

    this is not a general fatwa - this is about a specific person.
  11. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Let us see how much you value the opinions of huzur taaj al-shari'ah:

    huzur taj al shari'ah says that the claim that buzurgan-e-deen allowed mazameer is an iftira upon them:

    Q: Qawwali ya Simaa Mazameer (Aalaat-e-Mosiqi) k sath Jaiz nahin. Jo sama buzurgaan-e-deen mein raaijtha uski kia soorat thi aur kia aaj iss zamanay mein wesa sama mun'aqid kia jata hay?


    Q: mahfil e sama kya hai, phle kaisi hua karti thi, or ab kaisi hona chaie silsila e chistiya ke hisab se or hwale ke sath btaie?

    Q: Kya Khwaja Gareeb Nawaz Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anh Mehfil e Sama mein shirkat karte thay? Agar haan to kaisi Mehfil e Sama?

    Q: Zaid mazamir k sath qawwali sunta he. Kya wo gunahgar hoga? Jabki kai khanvada e ashrafiya k Buzurgan e deen bhi (jese ki Huzoor ashrafi miya) mazamir k sath qawwali sunte the. Islah farmaye

    so where does he say - it is halal for those who follow ashrafi miya?

    Q: Qawwali Sunna aur parrhna kesa hay?
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  12. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    when they feel that the wind is in their favor - alahazrat, taj al-shari'ah suddenly become the touchstone who cannot be wrong. and when they feel like it - their's is just one opinion - doesn't mean everyone must follow them.
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  13. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    you have avoided direct questions because you have blind faith in saqib shami.

    I knew that the reference is from FR - so what? one can draw any conclusions from it?

    i have read the book with a sunni mufti. so relax.

    ah the person who doesn't listen to reason - must we reason with him? he is not even a scholar - an orator with a hunger for fame.

    this is the same raza academy who have invited saqib shami multiple times to bombay, it's no surprise if they are promoting his book.

    where is the proof that it was reviewed by hazrat? obviously, it must have been read to him. how much of it?

    you can believe in hearsay - you want to believe that your peer is right. I can't help it.

    We have people claiming all sorts of things about huzur taj al shariah. doesn't mean we will believe them.


    I know a lot more things. please don't suppose I'll shy away from speaking when I feel the need for it.
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  14. abu Hasan

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  15. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    yes, i know that. it is also present in the excerpt.
    my question is whether saqib rejects ijmaa post-2nd century?

    in other words, is ijmaa a source of legislation post-2nd century?
    has the author clarified the maratib al-ijmaa' in the book and explained the terms?
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  16. Rizvi_Qadri

    Rizvi_Qadri New Member

    Brother 'unbeknown' I am dumbfounded by your response. Raza Academy, Mumbai, published 1000 copies of this book. Before publishing, the book was presented to Hazrat Taj ush Sharia - Perhaps you know better than the specialists, that belong to this field?

    Also brother, some advice, the passage you have highlighted regarding 200 years ijma, is taken from Fatawa Rizawiya and the reference, given in Shaykh Saqib's book. Therefore, it would be best if you did not speak out against it.

    I learnt from Kanz ul Huda brothers that the Mufti's who were presented with the book, before publishing, some were initially against certain aspects in the book. Shaykh Saqib discussed and debated with them – resulting in the Mufti's accepting that this book does not go against Ahlus Sunnah frameworks.

    Brother Unbeknown, I would request you to read the book again, and for those who have not read it but are passing judgements already (perhaps propelled by their personal vendetta against Shaykh Saqib), please read the book in its entirety.

    If you do not understand certain aspects, or feel that certain rulings are against the frame works of Ahlus Sunnah, go and meet with Shaykh Saqib, the way I did – I had no problem in meeting with him on several occasions to discuss the book, seek clarification from the author, after all it is a specialist subject. Failing that, you can seek a fatwa from a Mufti against him?

    I do not see the benefit of commenting further on this subject when people who have not read the book are criticising Shaykh Saqib and not realising that in reality, they are criticising the passages from Fatawa Rizawiya of Ala Hazrat ra.
  17. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    both Imams of Aqeedah, Imam Ash'ari and Imam Maturidi were born post 200 AH.

    so according to saqib, those who adhere to neither of their creeds cannot be called deviants - as deviance is worse than fisq (refer bahar-e-shari'at), and if ijma' is needed for tafseeq, surely it is all the more necessary for dadhleel?

    a lot of mu'tazili ideas too developed after that fateful year whence all ijma' came to an abrupt and dreadful stop.

    well done saqib sahib, with this book you have promoted scores of deviants to sunnis.

    what honor shall I bestow upon you? an ignoble prize seems too small in the face of this stellar achievement.
  18. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    on p86 (as shown in the excerpt) is the full quote:


    so according to shami, it is impossible to know sharayi ijma'a after the 2nd century; and therefore one cannot claim ijmaa' on any mas'ala/issue that has arisen after the second century hijri.

    i haven't seen the book, but does this mean he does not accept ijma'a as a valid proof for legislation?
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  19. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    which would imply that this is a team-work rather than saqib's personal"research".

    Even dunyawi researchers have the decency to acknowledge people who help them in their efforts - to the extent that even librarians get mentioned for helping them find a book. But in the obsession to amass facebook-likes this "aarif" cleanly forgot to acknowledge a single person.

    And if this were true - I would lose all faith in these "senior sunni Muftiyan e kiram in India and Pakistan".
  20. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

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