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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by SaadSohail, Nov 20, 2019.
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The reason I said Nuh Ha Mim Keller refuses to repent is
1) Hadrat Mawlana Asrar Rashid (student of Hadrat Mawlana Rasul Baksh Sa`idi and murid of Hadrat Ameer-e-Ahl e Sunnat Mawlana Ilyas Qadri) wrote a letter to Nuh Ha Mim Keller outlining Nuh Keller's mistakes. Yet, no response from Nuh Keller
2) Hadrat Mawlana Munawwar Atiq Ridwi (student of Hadrat Mawlana Rasul Baksh Sa`idi and Hadrat Shaykh ul-Hadith Mawlana Abdul Hakim Sharaf Qadri alayhi rahmah and murid of Hadrat Mawlana Abdullah Atiq Naqshbandi) has refuted Hamza Karamali and yet they refuse to repent. Hamza Karamali backed out from the debate
3) The Islam786 website and the muridin of Hadrat Shaykh ul-Islam wal Muslimeen wrote a refutation of Nuh Keller on their website. No response from Nuh Keller
4) Hadrat Taj us-Shariah Mawlana Mufti Muhammad Akhtar Rida Khan al-Azhari has written a refutation. Yet, no response from Nuh Keller.
did you send him the book ? did he read it ? cause i do not know that anyone did, although in time we should.
since the mistake was uttered in public, this correction is for everyone. and that is what it is serving. if i were his murid, i would sent it to him.
the main audio which is discussed in this book is not officially hosted by any of sh. nuh's sites, yes, parts of the "mistaken" takfir article are addressed in this work and i still have not seen anything from sh nuh or his murids acknowledging this work. if you have please let us know.
he was notified of his mistakes in his time, it is all well documented.
He has not taken down the article since his "mistake" was highlighted. A man with a bit of shame would have removed the article for further investigation. The minimum he can do is stop the article from crculation.
The "mistake" is not confined to imkan alkidhb but also extends to the kufriya statements and defending the kufr of not being kufr.
Sidi Nuh must read Kitab alShifa and ammend this "mistake".
Ibn Taymiyya was also genuinely "mistaken" aswell as Ibn alQayyim and many others.
my dear young brother,
as salam alaykum,
the book clearly states what the elders and the books of ahlus sunnah have to say about the issue, and sidi abu Hasan has articulated our stand eloquently and very clinically.
i, unfortunately, despite having spent more useless years,am in no position to arrive at the conclusions that you have arrived at.
even if it is supporting blasphemy, i am still of the opinion that it is a mistake, simply a mistake, not a simple mistake or deliberate support of blasphemy.
refusng to repent ? again we do not know. what makes you think that first sh nuh understands it to be a mistake and secondly,is now refusing to repent ?
deobandis drown logical answers with red herrings and blue blabber ( royal talk of their elders ) and our folk do the same with jazbati talk and "burn the witch, she is possessed" type naaras.
both are equally harmful to the discussion.
look at the posts by deobandis on the marifah thread about this book. it's all red, incidentally it is also the color of shame.
to what abu nibras wrote:
i think these are two different things: someone 'being simply mistaken' and 'simply, it is a matter of being mistaken.'
Mawlana munawwar 'atiq has also done a good job refuting them
@my dear respected abunibras uncle:
It is not simply a matter of nuh keller being mistaken but rather supporting blasphemy and refusing to repent
This is one of the best books on this subject. JazakAllah for unveiling the Deobandi deceit.
"Hakeem al Islam" of Deobandis, Qari Tayyab was a former principal of Darul ullu-oom Deoband. He was the grand son of Qasim Nanotvi.
Qari Tayyab has wriiten a book " Ulama e deoband ka deeni rukh aur maslaaki mizaaj" .[ The method and path schloars of Deoband], in which he has clearly mentioned that deobandis follow maturidi school of Aqidah.
[ page 91]
Darul ullu oom deoband website has also mentioned this.
"5- DIALECTICAL MATURIDIISM: That is, as regards beliefs, the sustentation of the power of certitude and the stability of true beliefs with right thinking in accordonce to the laws and principles determined and codified through the method of the Ahlus Sunnat wal-Jama'at and the Asha'ira and the Matureedia; for without it escape from the doubts cast by the tergiversators and the conjectural innovations, superstitions and skepticism of the false sects is not possible. It is evident that this branch is connected with faith (iman). "
Hence deobandi should not quote a single ASHARI scholar who died in 1205 AH to support their distorted aqidah.
Faqir do you still think it's a wonderful article as you described it back in 2007?
How does one add this book onto their own blog page, like wordpress??
May Allah bless AH for the work he has put into this work. Truly it is one of the best peices of contemporary work i have seen because it deals with the major issue logically and should leave no doubt whatsoever to anyone who is sincere in seeking the truth - and the truth is that Allah is the truthful!
kabir al najdiyya ismayil dehelwi - (1193-1246)
why not quote ismayil dehelwi , he was close enough?
and this statement is your only excuse against all that is presented from the salaf and the imams of the ummah; may be you want to read the quote from imam al-ashari himself on page 64, may be you will feel ashamed.
marifah forum link to the book
one from the kaddhabiya camp, after all these proofs are presented as clear as the daylight, goes on to shamelessly bring up one kalnabwi quote from the Hawashi al-Kalnabawi on Sharh al-Aqaid of al-Dawani, as if it were a trump card.
i say , why not bring the putrid quotes of ismayil dehlvi or later deobandis or even of your own shaykh as proof, they were better known.
hint : what year is shaykh kalnabwi from ?
As salatu wa salamu alayka ya Rasul Allah!
May Allahu ta'ala reward our brother Abu hasan for this imporant work. Ameen.
When this fitna of attributing Kidhb to Allahu tala started some 120 years back, Imam Ahmed Rida Khan (rh) wrote Subhan al-Subuh 'An Ghaib Kithb Maqbuh, which has not been answered by any of the deviants till date.
May Allahu tala make this english book also a means of help for those muslims who want to know and learn true aqida regarding this matter. Ameen
Deobandis should not see this book as a refutation, rather they should accept this book as an invitation to Ahlus sunnah wal jamah.
Those deobandis who were unable to understant Subhan al subuh should thank brother Abu Hasan for writing this book in english , which was indeed the need of the time.
May Allahu tala help all the muslims to love each other and be on the path of ahlus sunnah wal jamah. Ameen
It would have been nice that there was an appendix about the topic of imkane nazeer. And particular this question since the history of this debate is rooted in this topic:
What do the Ulama of kalaam state about the power of Allah and producing another Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam)? Is this mustahil dhaatan for Allah?
the fasid aqidah was not circulated for the ulema but for the awaam, hence the antodote is made available to the awaam as they are responsible for their own aqidah.
i cannot say anything about those people, whose primary aqida is that deobandi elders making errors is muhal and everything else, however putrid, that helps in proving this being muhal is mumkin; however i do believe that this work by sidi abu Hasan will allow those with a clear niyyah and those who are non-partisan to see light, inshaAllah.
Sheikh Nuh is simply mistaken in his stance and I am sure all sunnis, including me will be very happy if he retracts from his position. I have no precedent that makes me believe that he will not read this or will not react to it.
well known and greater scholars in the past of ahlus sunnah have retracted from their opinions, so i do have hope.
i am surprised that you included ibn adam,apart from being a deobandi, he is an internet phenomenon, without depth, so I do not think you should care. it is not that he won't reply, he just cannot.
and hidayah is from Allah alone.
It's my personal hunch that Nuh Keller or Faraz or ibn Adam will never bother to read this. Even if they are forced to read it, they will not react to it (after all what's there for them to say, but apologise). Unfortunately, the problem with deobandis and their ilks is not their lack of access to very same works that brother abu Hasan has cited, but their twisted belief that their elders cannot err. Can you cure that by forwarding the copies to them? Can you force an obstinate mule to drink water?
On the other hand, if aH's article is mass-circulated and read by innocent followers of Keller/Faraz/ibn Adam, they (if they haven't been fully indoctrinated yet) will either forsake these 'scholars' or confront them on this issue. The idea, primarily, is to expose the wretched aqeeda of kaddhabiyya and educate the masses against the dangers of following such idealogies/idealogues.