Coronavirus and jumu'ah

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  1. Tālib ul-Haq

    Tālib ul-Haq New Member

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  2. Umar99

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  3. AR Ahmed

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    JazakAllah
     
  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    https://www.facebook.com/100012057638493/posts/889618741450039/?d=n

    This Pakistani mufti sahib says people are no longer liable for missing jama3at since now the government has mandated it.

    Muneebur Rehman sahib should issue a new video in light of this development - government stipulation.

    Abdun Nabi Hameedi sahib's FatwA in a previous post also says that if the south African government stipulates, then they can stop congregational prayers (paraphrased in my words).
     
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  7. AR Ahmed

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    I realized this applies to the passages of Fatawa Ridawiyya, Ahkam e Shari`at and al Malfuz as well as Maktubat Sharif of Hadrat Mujaddid Alfe Sani rahmatullahi alayh
     
  8. AR Ahmed

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    Someone on Twitter posted this from Ahkam e Shari`at

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    “What do the Úlamā of Dīn say regarding this matter, that some people avoid eating with an ill person and do not wear the clothes of that ill person. They say, ‘One person’s disease can be caught by another person.’ Is there any prohibition of this in the Ĥadīth or not?”

    The great Mujaddid replied: “This is a lie; that the disease of one person is caught by another person. RasūlAllāh ﷺ has stated, ‘There is no contagious disease’ and he ﷺ stated, ‘Then who infected the first one?’.
     
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  9. shahnawazgm

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    So now it's official in UK, new measures on restrictions on leaving home. Places of worship will close https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52012432

    So now there is no option but to close the Masajids as its a government decision.
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Mufti Mehmood Akhtar sahib qadi of Maharashtra says muadhdhin imam and another 2 to 3 caretakers of the mosque can pray in mosques by jama3at to keep the mosques functional. Others please pray at homes.

    PS. He's well respected by Muhaddithe Kabeer and also Tajush Shariah 3alaihir rahmah used to give credence to his opinions.
     

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  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Mufti Abdun Nabi Hamidi sahib's FatwA. He's translated Kanzul Iman into English afaik.
     

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  12. abu Hasan

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    it is wajib when there is no hindrance.

    jazakAllah khayran.
     
  13. AR Ahmed

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    The ibarat from Badai al Sanai quoted by Mufti Rafiq ul hasani sahib دامت بركاتهم العليه is [1] بدائع الصنائع – المكتبة الشاملة (1/ 384) فصل : في بيان من تجب عليه الجماعة و أما بيان من تجب عليه الجماعة فالجماعة إنما تجب على الرجال العاقلين الأحرار القادرين عليها من غير حرج فلا تجب على النساء و الصبيان و المجانين و العبيد و المقعد و مقطوع اليد و الرجل من خلاف و الشيخ الكبير الذي لا يقدر على المشي و المريض (in some nuskas 1:155)

    This is also in other books as ‎ (فتسن أو تجب) ثمرته تظهر في الإثم بتركها مرة (على الرجال العقلاء البالغين الأحرار القادرين على الصلاة بالجماعة من غير حرج)

    See Fatawa Hindiyya kitab al salat bab al imamah 1:91 (Dar al Kutub al Ilmiyya)

    Radd al muhtar, kitab al salat, bab shurut al salah, 2:290 (dar al alam al kutub)
    Binayah fi sharh al hidayah, bab al imamah, 2:381 (dar al fikr) Badai as sanai (1:155)

    Binayah mentions in full: البناية شرح الهداية (2/ 324) وفي " التحفة ": الجماعة إنما تجب على من قدر عليها من غير حرج وتسقط بالعذر حتى لا تجب على المريض والأعمى والزمن ونحوهم هذا إذا لم يجد الأعمى قائدا، والزمن من يحمله، وكذا إذا وجد عند أبي حنيفة، وعندهما تجب، قال محمد: لا تجب الجمعة ولا الجماعة على المريض، والمقعد، والزمن والأعمى، ومقطوع اليد والرجل من خلاف أو مقطوع الرجل، والمقطوع الرجل، والمفلوج الذي لا يستطيع المشي وإن لم يكن به ألم، والشيخ الكبير العاجز

    Shami also mentions ‎(قوله ولو فاتته ندب طلبها) فلا يجب عليه الطلب في المساجد بلا خلاف بين أصحابنا، بل إن أتى مسجدا للجماعة آخر فحسن، وإن صلى في مسجد حيه منفردا فحسن. وذكر القدوري: يجمع بأهله ويصلي بهم، يعني وينال ثواب الجماعة كذا في الفتح ‎واعترض الشرنبلالي بأن هذا ينافي وجوب الجماعة. وأجاب ح بأن الوجوب عند عدم الحرج، وفي تتبعها في الأماكن القاصية حرج

    Same as the ibarat quoted by Sh. Abu Hasan from Bahare Shariat




     
  14. Salaam. There are among us some who are not displaying symptoms and are probably infecting people, some of who may die because of it (pretty remote but possible nonetheless). fyi
     
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  15. abu Hasan

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    the concept of 'adwaa' or 'udh kar lagna' or disease being transmitted from one to another up until alahazrat's time is NOT the same as bacterial/viral infection that WE NOW KNOW. hence it would be unfair to judge the opinions of ulama who did not have access to this information and at the same time, negligence on our part to continue to look the other way and refuse to harmonise the information

    here is a short vid on the bubonic plague. notice a passing mention of the belief that disease 'jumped' from person to person. THAT is adwa. no one gets a headache by sitting next to a person with a headache. or a diabetic or a heart patient.

     
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