Coronavirus and jumu'ah

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  1. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    another video (specifically on jumuah/jamaat during this time) from Mufti Nizamuddin Misbahi:

  2. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed New Member

    جزاك الله خيرا
  3. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Letter 41 – Volume 3, Book 1
  4. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed New Member

    Like whats the volume number, page number etc
  5. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Reference as in for the narration or in Maktūbāt Sharīf?
  6. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    you can mention Ala Hazrat's name directly. anyway, the below video explains it better.

  7. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed New Member

  8. faqir

    faqir Veteran

    As a health professional can I just point out that Aqdas's comment is dangerous. Khalid bin Waleed ra did not go into battle without taking precautions!

    And I'm not sure what someone hopes to achieve by posting that old fatwa insinuating that there is no such thing as a contagious / infectious disease. It's clearly wrong and I'd hope that if he understood the science he would not have given such a statement today.

    Protect your vulnerable and elderly relatives and friends. Whilst most of us and our children will get through this fine they are the ones most at risk of death.

    may Allah protect us all.
  9. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Active Member

    Brother Umar99, could you kindly inform as to what the contexts of AlaHazrat radhiyAllahu anhu and Hadrat Mujaddid Pak alayhirrahmah's quotes are regarding infectious disease?

    Were they negating infectious disease as a whole?
  10. Abdullah Ahmed

    Abdullah Ahmed New Member

    Can you please provide the reference for this?
    جزاك الله خيرا
  11. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Alahazrat, Mawlānā Aĥmad Riđā Khān ibn Mawlānā Naqī Álī Khān al-Ĥanafī al-Qādirī al-Baraylawī was asked, as recorded in Átāyā an-Nabawiyyah fi’l Fatāwā ar-Riđawiyyah:

    “What do the Úlamā of Dīn say regarding this matter, that people were gathered in a barāt, among them was a leper, people did not like to eat with him, one person insisted. When the argument increased the attendees said to him, ‘‘For the sake of Allāh and the accepted Rasūl ﷺ, at this moment, separate him from us and do not ruin the meal of the family.’ He replied, ‘I do not know Allāh and the Rasūl’, at this, everybody said that this man has uttered words of Kufr, and along with the leper they isolated him too and expelled him from their gathering, some others joined him and also left. In this situation, what is the ruling upon this individual and those who joined him? Please make clear and gain reward.

    The great Mujaddid answered:

    “However, it is permissible to eat with a leper, in fact, Nabi ﷺ himself seated a leper with him in order to eat and stated, ‘Eat with me, taking Allāh's name, trusting in Allāh and relying upon Allāh.’

    Narrated by Abū Dāwūd, al-Tirmidhī and Ibn Mājah with a Ĥasan chain. Ibn Ĥibbān and al-Ĥākim declared it to be Şaĥīĥ.

    To such an extent, that if it is done out of humility, reliance [upon Allāh] and following [the Rasūl ﷺ], he shall be rewarded:

    Imām al-Ţaĥāwī wrote, on the authority of Abū Dharr رضي الله عنه from the Nabī ﷺ, ‘Eat with the one who is afflicted out of humility to your Lord and trusting in Him.’

    However, eating with him is not necessary, rather the one who is unable to see beyond causes and does not fully rely upon Allāh, it is appropriate for him to stay away. The person should not consider the disease to be contagious, as this belief is false. Nabī ﷺ has refuted this in Şaĥīĥ aĥādīth, he ﷺ stated,

    ‘There is no contagious disease.’

    This was written by Imām Aĥmad, Bukhārī, Muslim and Abū Dāwūd from Abū Hurayrah. It was also written by Aĥmad and Muslim from Jābir ibn Ábdullāh and al-Sā'ib ibn Yazīd رضي الله عنهم. He ﷺ stated,

    ‘Then who infected the first camel?’

    This was written by Bukhārī, Muslim and Abū Dāwūd, also from Abū Hurayrah رضي الله عنه.

    Rather, [he should stay away] with the belief that perhaps, due to the Divine Will, it may also befall him. And at that time [of being afflicted by the disease], Shayţān may deceive one to think that it was due to that action that such has occurred, otherwise it would not. In this thought, there is harm to one's Dīn, Nabi ﷺ stated,

    ‘The word “if” opens the gates of Satanic deeds.’

    There is no harm in a person, whose Īmān is strong and who relies upon Allāh, in mixing with [the one who is diseased]. It is better for a person, whose belief is weak, to abstain in order to protect his Dīn, and for this reason the Master of the World ﷺ stated,

    ‘Flee from the leper as you flee from a lion.’

    This was written by Bukhārī from Abū Hurayrah رضي الله عنه.

    In another ĥadīth it is stated,

    ‘Avoid the leper as a beast of prey avoids [the predator]; when he descends into a valley, then you should descend into another valley.’

    In another ĥadīth it is stated,

    ‘Speak to the leper whilst there is between you and him a distance of one lance or two lances.’

    This was narrated by Ibn al-Sunnī and Abū Nuáym in al-Ţibb al-Nabawī on the authority of Ábdullāh ibn Abī Áwfā رضي الله عنه from Nabī ﷺ.

    In any case, the refusal of the attendees was not something that transgresses the limits and the obstinacy of that individual was improper. Then, when they requested for the sake of Allāh, then he was sinful for not accepting without a reason, it is in the ĥadīth,

    ‘That person is accursed; the one who is implored by the name of Allāh but does not give the seeker, as long as it is not a request to abandon someone.’

    This was written by al-Ţabarānī in al-Kabīr with a Ĥasan chain from Abū Mūsā al-Ashárī رضي الله عنه from Nabī ﷺ.

    Until this point, it was only foolishness or sin, the words that he uttered after this, that I do not know Allāh and Rasūl ﷺ, this is clear words of Kufr, and we seek refuge with Allāh táālā. It is Farđ upon that individual that he does Tawbah and become Muslim anew, if he was married, then he must anew his Nikāĥ, and just as he uttered those words in a gathering, he must also do Tawbah in a gathering, if he does not accept then the Muslims should indeed expel him from their group; not allow him to sit with them nor sit with him themselves, nor be a partner in his affairs, nor make him a member in one's special occasions. Allāh táālā states:

    ‘And if Shayţān causes you to forget, then do not sit with the unjust after remembering.’

    [Anáām, 6:68]

    And those who supported him and left, they also became major sinners, Tawbah is Wājib upon them also, if they do not then it is appropriate for the Muslims to separate from them also. Allāh táālā knows best.”

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  12. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Mujaddid Alf Thānī Imām Rabbānī Aĥmad ibn Ábdu'l Aĥad al-Fārūqī al-Sirhindī al-Naqshbandī al-Ĥanafī writes in one of his Maktūbāt:

    “And do not believe in ill omens, as they do not have any effects, and do not consider any disease as contagious; that one catches a disease from another and can be transferred from an ill person to a healthy person, as the Mukhbir al-Şādiq ﷺ has forbidden from both of these,

    ‘There is no bad omen nor contagious disease.’

    It means that bad omens are baseless and that disease spreading from one to another is also not proven absolutely with certainty.”

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  13. Umar99

    Umar99 Veteran

    Alahazrat, Mawlānā Aĥmad Riđā Khān ibn Mawlānā Naqī Álī Khān al-Ĥanafī al-Qādirī al-Baraylawī was asked, as recorded in al-Malfūż al-Sharīf:

    “Sir, some diseases are contagious?”

    He replied, “No, it is stated in the Ĥadīth, ‘There is no contagious disease.’”

    The man asked, “Why, then, has the command been given to flee from a leper?”

    He replied, “That command is for the one with weak Īmān. If he sits with a leper and by the Divine Will something happens to him, Shayţān will mislead him to say that this occurred due to sitting with him and that if he had not sat with him then it would not have occurred; he will forget the Divine Will.”

    The man then asked, “Why, then, is it forbidden to flee from the plague?”

    He replied, “For the reason that there is a clear command in the Ĥadīth, ‘The one who flees from the plague is like the one who shows his back to the Kuffār during Jihād and flees.’ It is also commanded not to go to a place wherein there is plague.”

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  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    i'm not making any judgment calls regarding attending Juma or other events.

    forwarding this balanced perspective (in my opinion) regarding diseases per se, that i got on whatsapp

  15. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Someone said:

    It is only a children's book but for people who are ignorant of children's level theology it is that what we must present.

    Sheikh Salih al Farfur in his book arrisala annafia writes "many men ran away from war from fear of death and died amongst their tribe soon after the war and he who fought returned alive and this was Sayyiduna Khalid ibn al Waleed radi Allahu anhu who waged war for nearly thirty years and he was not killed and he passed away on his bed...."

    To die at exactly that time was written in the destiny of each of them and they could not escape their destiny.

    Likewise is the matter with respect the Coronavirus. If it is written in ones destiny that they will contract it then no matter how many precautions they take, they will still contract it and further if it is written that they will die from it then they will die from it.

    Opposed to this is that if it is written in ones destiny that they will not contract it then they could swim in a sea of it, they however will not contract it.

    There is no meaning in Islam to taking precautions except for peace of heart, the precautions will not save one from their destiny if it is written that they will contract the virus.
    Go to the masjid, pray without fear and take your time... one cannot escape their destiny.
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  16. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Should we carry on as usual or avoid jumu'ah?

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