Deism

Discussion in 'Other Mad'habs' started by TheMuslimAgorist, Mar 31, 2010.

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  1. TheMuslimAgorist

    TheMuslimAgorist New Member

    Look I agree with you theologically, but I hope if you ever meet a deist face to face you'll avoid calling their beliefs absurd or not befitting of intellect. There is no faster way to sour someone on whatever you're selling. And it's just not true.

    It is not absurd to lack belief in revelation if you've never had access it.

    Just imagine if you had never read the Quran and never met a Muslim. Does belief in revelation erupt naturally from fitra? Even if it does, where do you look? The Bible? They reject the Bible because of it's absurdity, and lack of appeal to intellect.

    So imagine you're this person, who has spent their life in private contemplation of God, and dissatisfaction with the revelation prevalent in their culture. Then one day you meet a Muslim. The Muslim presents ideas which sound familiar to your Christian upbringing, and then he tell you that you're stupid for not just accepting it... something every priest has told you since childhood. How easy would it be for you to reject that Muslim as readily as you rejected Christianity.

    If you believe that your revelation appeals to the intellect, as I do, than you can never begin presenting it someone by insulting their intellect. If they truly lack rational faculties, than there is no hope in reasoning with them, and it is you engages in absurdity by trying. If they do possess rational faculties, than you do them a grave disservice by treating them like they don't.
     
  2. Yeah, but that still does not establish with certainty what the purpose of life is. The only way is through revelation, which they reject the whole notion of. This is clear absurd Kufr, not befitting someone with an intellect.
     
  3. TheMuslimAgorist

    TheMuslimAgorist New Member

    I think the easiest way to understand Deism from a Islamic perspective is to imagine a person who believes in Fitra, but not Fiqh.

    It seems like people have had very negative experiences with Deists. It's unfortunate. Deism has always struck me and the most sincere conclusion one could come to without revelation. For a Westerner without access to the Quran, but who's rational mind cannot accept the Bible or the Trinity, this is the rational alternative that doesn't reject the innate tawhid, as the atheists do. They are not agnostics. They believe in a Creator. But they believe that the Creator does not intervene, or at the most intervenes in esoteric subjective ways with the individual, like dreams. They are not lawless. They believe that a natural law is deduced from observing the creation. To some extent it is morality based upon their own reason, but there is a methodology. Just no orthodoxy.
     
  4. SA01

    SA01 Veteran

    Yes....that's exactly what he was saying, something like

    'We exist for no more reason than animals and plants do. We are part of Nature'. And 'it's all abt power and money' ????

    Found it quite absurd myself.....Oh well. That's cleared up...shan't be wasting my time with them then.

    JZK to all.
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2010
  5. It is absurd since we all feel that we have a purpose, and for Allah not to have the capacity to reveal the truth of our purpose would be an imperfection.
     
  6. SA01.
    They´re the people you meet who´ll say something like, "I believe there is a Creator but I don´t believe in any organised religion!"
     
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    they are basically agnostics who believe the universe has a Creator. period. they do not subscribe to any law or code, on the contrary, they work hard to disprove and degrade the status of revelation

    their beliefs are warped in regards to what they should believe about their Creator (obviously, 'coz unlike us Muslims, they don't retort to revelation or prophethood to seek this knowledge).

    they make their own laws and morality based on their own reason.

    as far as discussing Islam with them goes, they are bent on disproving revelation by rubbish reasoning. they claim to be rational thinkers, but will present the dumbest of arguments when reason and rationality proves Islamic creed

    if you wish to waste some time, this is a good summary of their "religion": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
     
  8. SA01

    SA01 Veteran

    I have come across someone that was saying they are Deist.......I have never heard of this before....Atheist yes, but not Deist.

    I googled but am still a bit confused......what is their belief?

    JZK for any clarification.
     

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