Deobandis charge Blasphemy on mawlana abdu'l sami'y rampuri

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  1. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    There is a world of difference between Mawlana Rampuri and Anbethwi.

    Mawlana stated a fact: RasulAllah ﷺ isn't physically everywhere. He wasn't talking about knowledge. He was talking about physical presence. Show us where he said Satan has more knowledge than RasulAllah ﷺ.

    Anbethwi made a comparison. He was talking about knowledge and then said, knowledge Is proven for Satan, where is it proven for RasulAllah ﷺ?

    Mawlana nowhere said ilm. Only presence. Presence doesn't necessarily mean more ilm.
    Anbethwi said ilm.

    Anbethwi will rot in hell for saying such a vile statement.
     
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  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I wonder why Zameel doesn't present accurate translations of the passages...

    Why does he only present what he thinks is the meaning of those passages? The fatawa of Haramayn were on the actual passages.

    Is he Anbethwi the second?
     
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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    khalil ahmad saharanfuri and zameel e shaytan are both wahabiyyah shayTaniyyah.
    one murid of shayTan claimed superiority, and his worshipper is justifying him. nothing surprising.

    har ek apne bade ki baDayi karta hai
    ye kis la'eeN ki iTaa'at ka daagh le ke chale.


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  4. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    besides, which idiot taught you urdu? apparently, devband is in the heart of UP - but they don't know basic urdu.

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    zameel's translation:


    mawlana abdus samiy was not talking of the capability or power; he was stating a fact. the king does not go everywhere, but it is established that workers, officers and even tramps go many more places in the kingdom than the king does.

    how can this compare to khalil ahmad's claim, who said:

    One should ponder, that by looking at the state of Satan and the Angel of Death, [and then] proving such encompassing knowledge of the earth for the Pride of the World, without any scriptural evidence and by fallacious analogy – if this is not polytheism, then which part of faith is it? This extensiveness of knowledge for Satan and the Angel of Death is proven by scriptural proof; where is such scriptural proof for the extensiveness of the knowledge of the Pride of the World, thereby refuting all scriptural proofs, to establish one polytheistic belief?

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    you can do all your circus with words, but the above statement means:

    1. claiming knowledge equal to or greater than satan for RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam is shirk/polytheism.

    2. because the expansiveness of the knowledge of satan is proven by texts; and there is no text for such knowledge of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam.

    3. thus, if you claim that RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam has more knowledge than satan, you are rejecting the naSS - qur'an and hadith. AND commit polytheism by establishing expansiveness of the knowledge of RasulAllah sallALlahu alayhi wa sallam.

    even small children know that shirk/polytheism is only if one equates the knowledge of the creation with the knowledge with Allah; by labelling the knowledge of satan as unequaled and if compared, will tantamount to shirk, you know who khaleel worships!

    no wonder alahazrat called this filthy group - wahabiyyah shayTaniyyah - who are bent on proving the excellence of their master.

    dev tujh se khush hai phir hum kya karen
    hum se raazi hai khuda phir tujh ko kya?


    khalil ahmad cannot bear to think that someone can be more knowledgeable than shaytan! what bhakti! if only they had such fervour for anbiya and awliya...
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  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    zameel us shaytan is lying as usual. and demonstrating that deoband cannot think above the gutter.

    a king has power to go wherever he likes in his kingdom, but he does not go in filthy alleys and peek into sewers and sit by the garbage dump.

    officers in the kingdom, workers and even common people may go to these places upon need.
    a tramp goes in these garbage dumps and sits by the sewers and has a fun time.

    according to zameel e deobandi interpretation: "the above statement means that the tramp has more authority than the king!"
     
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  7. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    the blogosphere will be indignant. He is no blogger, just a raving madman with internet access.

    I think if internet were not around he'd be publishing ludicrously titled sensationalist tabloid pieces.

    And his fella-devils would call him a 'journalist" ...
     
  8. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Just what does "greater presence" mean?

    This is the only way left to them - create innovative meanings for words and deploy cooked up phrases, then claim "if our devils are guilty of kufr then your angels are also guilty of kufr too".

    at least they are doing us the favor of accepting that their devils have indeed uttered these profanities - saves us the hard work of proving authorship.

    Sincere and thinking Muslims now need hardly investigate whether the accursed books are really the proud products of devband - they have it here directly from the donkey's mouth.

    Between Keller and these apologists who bray in English, the taawatur is easily established even for those who do not know Urdu.
     
  9. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    Deobandi blogger Zameel comes up with blasphemy charges on mawlana abdul sami rampuri

    https://barelwism.wordpress.com/201...-khan-barelwi-according-to-barelwi-standards/

    A deobandi fool has commented on the above from another deobandi fool keller kazzabi group Faraz Rabbani
     

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