Deobandis frothing heresy

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  1. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

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  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    notice that shaykh barzanji repeats in arabic what alahazrat said in mutamad and attests his takfir, saying if they said so, they are kafir.
    deos translate BACK from the arabic to urdu - which confirms that alahazrat's translation in arabic was accurate!

    compare it with original ibarat.

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    now tell me where did shaykh barzanji retract?
     
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  4. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    now what is in this ghayatu'l ma'mul? and read the translation by deos themselves.

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  5. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    interestingly the same husayn ahmad tandwi published shaykh barzanji's ghayatu'l ma'amul along with his shihab al-thaqib which clearly attests that alahazrat quoted deos accurately in husamul haramayn and shaykh barzanji did not bother to repeal/retract his judgement. in fact, he confirmed it once again!

    these are from the frontispieces of the books published by deos. just in case they say 'barelwis published it themselves'.

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  6. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Prove it, zaleel. Prove that Barzanji wanted to retract his attestation. We can't take your word for it or Husayn Tandwi's because you're both shameless liars who seem not to believe in judgement day.
     
  7. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    It seems zameel deobandi gang is following the posts here
    he came up with this article: https://barelwism.wordpress.com/201...efute-aḥmad-riḍa-khans-views-on-ilm-al-ghayb/

    here is the testimony of Zameel Deobandi wahhabi : "Barelwīs will point out that Sayyid Aḥmad al-Barzanjī was a signatory of Aḥmad Riḍā Khān’s Ḥusām al-Ḥaramayn – which is true.* But the reality of his signature was described by Shaykh al-Islām Mawlānā Sayyid Ḥusayn Aḥmad Madanī (1879 – 1957)..."

    But the reality of his signature was described by deobandi salafi wahabi -- who cares

    was he signatory or not ?

    then the deobandi brings same fancy imaginations or hallucinations ........
     
  8. Ibn Rida Safdar

    Ibn Rida Safdar New Member

    You might not. Some others do. Just like how you have oft-mentioned Zameel here on sunniport but your average sunni might not care about this at all. Without pointing fingers at any specific individuals, I would say that significant portion of our community is busy with chest thumping and thinking that we are the best in everything. We lack self-criticism and analysis of our short-comings. Opponents who work hard, like on networking with arab ulama or groundwork within our communities, reap benefits.

    So, whilst, you are right in saying that hardly anyone cares about these issues, I don't see this as a praise at all. We are too busy to recognize the emerging trends and work accordingly. From my limited exposure to the above group, I am fearful that they seem to be the next upcoming big source of fitna. If we closely analyse their circles, it includes politically active salafis, NADWIS, Modernists, salafi sulah kullis etc. who are a perfect recipe for another Mufti Abu Layth in making with just enough 'moderation' to not appear completely stupid like him. I am fearful that they are going to come up with really weird positions with the potential to confuse the modern public esp. in the west.
     
  9. Ibn Rida Safdar

    Ibn Rida Safdar New Member

    Agreed. I had written this a while back:

    Whilst, one's sincerity towards din and detachment from the dunya, and fame is admirable, this doesn't mean that knowledgeable people should not come out to clarify the truth, and should just keep working in silos and remain busy 'doing their own thing'. They should re-evaluate their priorities, take out time for matters pertaining to the commonfolk, collaborate with others like them, if required, and work towards answering the relevant challenges that Muslims are facing. One would argue that they are already too occupied with other things which are also important. If that is the case then they should sit together and distribute specific responsibilities amongst themselves. Not everyone is obliged to do everything but some things are communal obligations.

    So, yes, I agree that we need a dedicated team here because our opponents are working as a team. We can't expect just one or two individuals to bear this responsibility all alone. IMHO, without publicly naming anyone, if senior ulama aren't directly getting involved in this due to some constraints, they should be working in the background and guiding the team responsible for answering these individuals.
     
  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    LIES. damned lies. that is what deobandi is known for.

    where did shaykh barzanji 'retract'? he actually reiterated his takfir of 4 deobandi insulters these people call 'elders'.
     
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  11. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    السلام عليكم

    Honestly, in our times, Sh. Abu Hasan & Sh. Asrar (along with few hidden gems in the UK) should start collaborating and working against the new arguments frothing and loathing from Zameel Deobandi Gang (videos by Usman and blog by Zameel)
    Almost everyweek, deo heretics are coming with articles and videos and now SUNNIS have to defend.

    OK, heretics, question for you. in your latest book by Deobandi Sarfaraz Safdar Khan, you claimed Barzanji has retracted due to aqida of Alahazrat on Ilm al-Ghayb, but here we have several sufis and sunnis like Saeed Fudah, Muhamad Alawi al-Maliki, Ashari Sufis of Syria Morocco, Kittanis, Ghumaris, Sanusi...... why don't you apply the same fatwa on them?

    Deos you claim Barelwi creed is different than Ahlus Sunnah when it comes to Ilm Ghayb, Hazir & Nazir.
    yes, different than Deobandis and wahhabis but similar to other Sufi scholars from Syria Tunis Algeria Morocco, Jordan, Egypt, ...... why don't you also do wholesale takfir of those scholars (past and present)


    It is time that Sh. Asrar or Sh. Abu Hasan debate and challenge their elders and smash them...



    No one cares about the Awni.
     
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