deplorable anthropomorphic descriptions of dana-tadalla

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  1. AMQadiri

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  2. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

  3. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    Not sure if that is the same video that I think it is? Video not available anymore

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  4. AMQadiri

    AMQadiri Seeker

    Here is another clip where he also enacts a narration albeit he clarifies before hand that it is not a literal enactment.

  5. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Active Member

    This is not meant as a direct statement to Dr. Ghufran Ali, may Allah guide him but general:

    ضرب ۶۴ تا ۶۷:بحرالرائق و عالمگیری و قاضی خان و فتاوٰی خلاصہ کی عبارتیں بھی اوپر گزریں کہ جو اﷲ عزوجل کے لیے مکان مانے کافر ہے۔

    (Fatawa Ridawiyya Sharif vol 29 p. 157, DI version)

    Repeated here:

    Trying to prove space [makān] for Allāh is Kufr. (al-Bahr ur-Rā’iq, vol-5, page-203)

    * Word of caution - I am not doing takfir of anyone in particular - just stating principles

    In Fatawa Faiz al-Rasul it is mentioned:
    "If a person uses this term to express the exalted status (of Allāh), he will not be ruled a Kāfir, yet this statement of his will be labelled as incorrect and he shall be prevented from using this term." (Fatawa Faiz ur Rasul vol 1 p. 2)

    In Fatawa Ridawiyya Sharif, it is mentioned:
    The one who says: “Allāh ta`alā is in the sky”, if his intention was to say that which is outwardly mentioned in the Hadīth narrations, it is not Kufr. If he said it with the intention of space for Allāh, it is Kufr. If he had no intention at all, according to the majority of the jurists [fuqahā], it is Kufr. (al-Bahr ur-Rā’iq, vol-5, page-203; Fatāwā Ridawiyyah, vol-14, page-274)
  6. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    If I am not wrong, the speaker Dr. Ghufran Siddiqui is based in NY/NJ, USA. I had the opportunity to listen to him several times in person more than a decade back. He never stuck me as a "fully qualified" aalim, who would be very diligent in research and careful in his speech. Now I understand why some of the more knowledgeable mawlanas kept him away from mic or wanted him to keep his speech short.
  7. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    at 40:00 he makes another ugly description of 'Allahu nuru's samawati wa'l arD'. whereas it is not physical nur filling this space - rather, the light created in the Heavens and the earth is by Allah alone.

    sunnis! alahazrat would never permit this jahalat - and protest against such violations against the true belief. if you cannot memorise the whole of qasidah amali, at least memorise these couplets - even if you don't memorise it. learn the meanings well

    wa rabbu'l arshi fawqa'l arshi lakin
    bila waSfi't tamakkuni wa'ttisali

    wa ma't tashbihu li'r Rahmani wajha
    fa Sun an aSnaf al-ahali

    wa la yamDi ala'd Dayyani waqtun
    wa azmanun wa aHwalun bi Haali
  8. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    even the literal interpretation of two-bows length is not understood. sadly.

    people can't recite the qur'an properly. don't read any tafsir - but love to talk. astaghfirullah.

    unless one has the capability to explain a basic book of aqidah satisfactorily - for example, tahawiyyah and first part of bahar e shariat or kharidah bahiyyah etc. they should not be allowed to make a speech, at least not on sensitive issues which may cause confusion in aqidah matters. the least one can do when speaking is just repeat what our elders said.

    we seek Allah's refuge.

    at 37:31 he recites the qur'an incorrectly and makes tafsir of it!

    in surah yusuf, it is 'fa adla dalwah'; adla is with a laam not with a nuun. NOT adnaa dalwah. [the speaker says adnaa dalwah and makes tafsir of adnaa!]
    i checked 10 qira'at, to make sure it is not a variant reading.


    the tafsir made by the speaker is utter nonsense. astaghfirullah.

    dalw - means to 'send forth'

    dana - is from 'dunuww' meaning nearness and in this case, it is metaphoric nearness, not physical.
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  9. Aqib alQadri

    Aqib alQadri Veteran

    the fact that they act as Sunni Scholars compounds the issue; and they do not even use common sense; for example in this clip, the speaker says "huzoor arsh e Ilaahi par tashreef le gaye": "arsh e ilaahi jahan istiwa hai, usey mustawa kehte hain"; "to sarkaar mustawa se (aagey) guzrey".

    here he hints that the "istiwa" is physical (ma'az-Allah); so what is the point of the Prophet going still further, or higher? he cannot comprehend this?

    la hawla wa la quwwata illa bi-Allah

    and that they are doing the "Sharah" of the Qaseedah of Ala Hazrat to "physically" demonstrate the "distance" compounds it only further - as if Ala Hazrat held the same view; definitely not! This is particularly dangerous, for some years down the line, we will have these videos shown to our children explaining the creed of Ahle Sunnah, with references of Ala Hazrat. ma'az-Allah


    Ala Hazrat in fact did a masterful refutation of the anthropomorphic beliefs in his treatise Qawari ulQahhar Ala Muajssimati alFujjar:


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  10. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    this is becoming an epidemic. speakers in their attempt to wow their audiences are breaching basic aqidah. al-iyadhu billah.

    a brother sent me this clip today along with the marker on where to look:

    watch from 24:20 onward.

    i have refuted this back in 2008.

    see the thread:

    As Imām Būsīrī says in Burdah:

    wa bitta tarqā ilā an nilta manzilatan
    min qābi qawsayni lam tudrak wa lam turamī

    and you kept ascending until you reached the goal
    of ‘two bow-lengths’ which none has attained, nor anyone can aspire.
    That is you reached the nearness of the Lord Almighty such that the closeness was ‘two bow-lengths or less.’ A rank that no one has attained even among the prophets other than you, nor does anybody dare to seek because of its immense greatness. ‘Two bow-lengths’ or qāba qawsayn is originally from the term qābay qaws [the two arches of the bow] but the words are transposed. This is a phrase to indicate ‘very little distance.’ Because a bow has two arches and there is very little distance between the two [in the middle, where one holds the bow].


    Therefore, the Closeness of RasūlAllāh şallAllāhu álayhi wa sallam is described as if it were the distance between the two arches. However this is metaphorical nearness [al-qurb al-mánawī] and not physical, because Allāh táālā transcends all direction and distance:

    wa dhātan án jihāti’s sitti khālī
    He transcends, and is free from all six directions
    RasūlAllāh şallAllāhu álayhi wa sallam reached such nearness that no one can reach nor even aspire. And this is a special status only for RasūlAllāh şallAllāhu álayhi wa sallam. And then Allāh táālā says: ‘and then he approached came near.’

    hattā idhā lam tadá-a sha-wan li mustabiqin
    mina’d dunuwwi wa lā marqan li mustanimi

    so much so that when you reached the farthest place one can go
    that of closeness and which cannot be surpassed by anyone.
    That is, you kept ascending and left behind every rank and stature until you reached the Nearness which nobody else can attain nor hope to ascend.

    sha-wā means the farthest place anyone can endeavor to reach.
    mustabiq: one who endeavors.
    marqā: status, rank, grade.

    mustanim: one who aspires to soar.

    [Translation and explanation of the couplets from the Burdah is adapted from two exegeses of Burdah: one by Imām Bājūrī and another by Shaykh Khālid al-Az’harī]


    and the discussion of alahazrat's qasidah miyrajiyah:

    please don't take metaphorical expressions and make them literal.

    al-iyadhu billah.
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  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    I have messaged his Facebook pages and they did respond so I hope they pass it on to him.
  12. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

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  13. RazaRaza

    RazaRaza New Member

    In this clip at 14:56 he gives a sickening interpretation of دنى فتدلى using gestures and actions.

    He does so whilst claiming to be explaining Alahazrat's words.

    This man must be stopped. Awaam watching will end up having mujassima concepts in their minds and will mentally ascribe such to Alahazrat because of the context, even though Alahazrat's explanation of that stage of Miraaj is pure from any type of tajseem.

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