http://sunniport.com/index.php?thre...lah-is-a-mutazili-belief-also-devbandi.14727/ we come back to zaleel's inanities. zaleel says: "we know with absolute certainty that falsehood will never actualise from Allah" we ask: HOW? how do you know this? if you say that it is because He Himself has said so, we ask: since it is possible for Him to lie (according to your filthy aqidah, ta'ala Allah uluwwan kabeera), what is the guarantee that He is telling the truth in that piece of information? try this with a sensible atheist or a christian: "it is possible that I can lie. but I always speak the truth. therefore, everything that I say is only the truth" ----- zaleel says: "To go beyond this and say that He is not even able to issue an untrue statement is in fact to admit a flaw within Allah's complete power (over all things intrinsically possible)." classic case of: "paint it anything so long as it is black". and it is amusing how zaleel can live with this kind of self contradiction. but first, why is zaleel now acting like a drama queen about "admitting a flaw" - isn't it the same wretch who said: 'where is it written that Allah ta'ala cannot have a flaw'? 1. is kadhib a flaw? 2. if yes; then, can a flaw be present in Allah (al-iyadhu billah)? 3. if not, then you must declare that kadhib is an attribute of perfection. and Allah ta'ala has sent damnation upon such an attribute of perfection of devbandis. --- the trailing brackets ("intrinsically possible") tie zaleel in a gordian knot. 1. "issuing an untrue statement" - is intrinsically impossible.(according to ahl al-sunnah). 2. if something intrinsically possible cannot be governed by Divine Power, then indeed it is a flaw. 3. since falsehood or "issuing an untrue statement" is intrinsically impossible, denying it to be in Divine Power does not imply a flaw. so zaleel devbandi should explain what is he blabbering about? he could say: "we do not believe that falsehood is intrinsically impossible" fine. here is my retort: 1. alright. but is there ANYTHING that is intrinsically impossible? give examples. 2. your statement implies: there ARE THINGS which are intrinsically impossible and out of Divine Power. 3. but according to your claim there is NOTHING that is out of Divine Power. so why this exclusion of "intrinsically impossible". perhaps your education has progressed and knowledge improved. we are trying to push you in the right direction. ==== now zaleel turns to lying which is his old habit and the attribute of perfection of his accursed gang of devilobandis. because he cannot prove his filthy aqidah with truth, he restorts to lies. zaleel says; "This was precisely the mistake of the Mu`tazilah: They tried to affirm Allah's transcendence by negating His total power (over all things intrinsically possible), but by denying His total power they negated His full transcendence! hold on. 1. where did sunnis ever say negate Allah's Divine Power of all thing intrinsically possible? 2. we have been saying this from the beginning that Allah's Power concerns ALL maqdurat meaning mumkinat. we NEVER said that anything mumkin is out of Divine Power. 3. bringing the mutazilah heresy here is a red herring. as you can see in my next post (in sha'ALlah) it is a different issue. they might have negated his power of maqdurat, but we sunnis NEVER negated power over maqdurat. 4. zaleel devbandi like his filthy elders is a liar, a cheat whom a back-alley swindler will not find honourable to spit upon. 5. either he should demonstrate that sunnis ever denied Allah's total power of all possible things (i.e. mumkinat) OR apologise. or at least delete the filth on his cesspool. 6. no. no. kazzab! we affirm Allah's transcendence by saying that His Divine Power is total and absolute over all contingent things. only muHalat and wajibat are precluded from it. 7. kadhib and dhulm [lying and oppression] are defects, flaws and impossible - intrinsically impossible - for Allah ta'ala to be attributed with it. and since this is not in the realm of possible existence (mumkinat), we say that Allah sub'hanahu wa ta'ala is transcendent from "uttering an untrue statement"