Education - options for Muslims in Western societies

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  1. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    Anyone with homeschooling experience willing to share the curriculum they used and how they designed the daily schedule for their child?
  2. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    Or rather, Islamic concepts; how the mind works and how humans know and understand things (rational judgements, empiracal evidence, etc.); how Muslims view and understand this world; logic; how to form and assess an opinion; values and how we determine what is a good value to have and not have; etc.....basically how to think and encourage one to reflect


    What should also be taught is how this world works and the pros and cons of it - economically (monetary system), politically (governments, democracies, etc.), modern nations, globalization (consumerism), history, etc. - so that a young adult stepping into higher education / the workforce understands the world he or she is stepping into and how it operates, the good and bad of it, etc.
  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    well I do not think that it is unwanted. I would very much like children to long for death and hereafter. After all, they've got an eternity to spend there. better desired than forced.

    "yuN bhi kisi din hamne, dunya se to jana hai"

    a good reply, imho, would be - good things have to be earned and it is not good to show impatience for the n'iam which is stored for the hereafter. Better spend your time thanking Allah subHanu wa ta'ala for the beautiful gardens and palaces he has prepared for you (note we are talking about kids here) and when He subhanu wa ta'ala calls you all you have to do is close your eyes and say labbaik.

    sorry if I misunderstood you and went off on a tangent. My point is that - we need to de-stigmatize death for our youth. It is not to be seen as a sad reality - not that all good things come to an end and so will life - but that all good things are yet to come and the more you send forward for that life the happier you will be there. and bliss there shan't end while the bliss and pain in this life ends.

    if someone's child longs for death - I'd congratulate them and commend them for their excellent parenting.
  4. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    What Islamic texts would you recommend should be a part of the student's curriculum and when (e.g. xyz should be taught in grade 1...)
  5. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Well-Known Member

    At the moment the only thing for pre-teens we have from a reliable sunni organisation is the Dar-ul-Madinah Pre-Primary & Primary Schools of Dawateislami who have established 40 campuses in various countries including the UK & USA. Dar-ul-Madinah Blackburn UK has successfully passed the Ofsted inspection and recently a licence from Californian State authorities has also been given to Dar-ul-Madinah Sacramento Campus in USA. Currently they have approximately 14,000 students studying in different campuses of Dar-ul-Madinah in various countries.

    Secondary schools are in the pipeline for the UK as far as I understand and colleagues & university are to follow down the line. Traditional education alongside islamic teachings will be the focus from pre-primary all the way to university In-sha-Allah.

    A Jamiah for sisters is also on the way very soon In-sha-Allah
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  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    public schooling is a waste of time - yes, if kids have a place to hangout with other kids (we are social animals you know) then the school can be totally avoided. if you are in a place where there are no such avenues for kids, it may become necessary to send kids to school until 8-9 years for kids to socialise. thereafter school will only cripple the mind, extinguish thinking and imagination.

    materialism and show-off is rubbing off on tiny tots. little kids come back home asking about the car we drive and the phone we use. if you do not spend time with kids and explain things to them - teach them the difference between good and bad/evil, expect them to make their own judgement.

    as an aside, the unwanted side-effect of feeding an imaginative and curious mind, is an endless stream of questions. "when can i die and see grandpa?" "i want to die now and go to live in palaces where i can have everything i want". "oh, i wish i were dead...and gone to heaven"
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  7. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    I would say this needs to be taught regardless of what schooling option is chosen.

    One of the main problems with public schooling, in addition to the more common ones such as negative teachings / environment / influence, is that it consumes a significant amount of a child's time - 6 to 8 hours per day, 5 days a week, 4 weeks a month, 10 months a year for 14 to 15 years.....these are the prime years a child / teen / young adult has to learn and study Islam with no responsibilities.

    So when a child spends an entire day at public school, they then come home and would need a session with parents to debunk any junk they learned and correct their perspectives (as per your points). Then additional time would be spent on top of this for Qur'an recitation and memorization. These important aspects though are being taught to the child when they are at their lowest energy levels for the day and are tired, making it less effective and taxing on the child.

    Hence the benefit of home schooling or an Islamic school - the items you mentioned are integrated in the lessons in the first place along with Qur'an, etc. therefore there's no additional time added on the child.

    One of the aims of home schooling / Islamic school should be that the student becomes fluent in reading, writing and speaking Arabic over the course of these 15 years, or at least have a solid foundation in it. With public schooling I would say it is impossible for children to learn Arabic on the side.
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  8. Juwayni

    Juwayni Well-Known Member

    As Salamu 'Alaykum Wa RaHmatullāhi Wa Barakatu,

    There may be a fourth option. What if there was a series of books written for parents to teach their children how to survive an environment like public schools. Examples includes knowing how to address topics like evolution, social interactions in that environment, and dawah - all from a Sunni perspective.

    The fact of the matter is that a Sunni Islamic school is something that may not happen soon. Moreover, many of us have had to learn rational proofs against atheism, research evolutionary theory, and familiarize ourselves with refuting heretical sects. This is because we encounter a multitude of people in many aspects of life - often many of whom we disagree with.

    Thus, the most practical solution is to directly educate parents and children. You'll find in history examples like Said Nursi ('Alayhi Rahmah) and his Risale Nur that he wrote with the intent of protecting Turks whose children went through the secular education system.
  9. sunni_porter

    sunni_porter Well-Known Member

    Basically we have three options:
    1. Public schools
    2. Islamic schools
    3. Home schooling

    I think we're all aware of the issues one faces with public schools.

    Home schooling is discussed here.

    Can anyone recommend any Islamic schools in North America and UK?

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