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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Aqdas, Jun 15, 2020.

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  1. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    Are you sure... the new one which is predominantly about Mashadi Sahib is still up
     
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    So then why does he hate Syed Abul Aala Maududi so much then? His followers should also be deemed awliyaa by Irfan Shah then.

    What about Syed Ahmed Khan of Aligarh? Does Irfan Shah also take his deen from him?

    What about Ali Miyan Hasani Nadwi?

    What about Khomeini and other rafidi claimants to Siyadat?

    Or is it cherry picking even within real or perceived Syeds just to run their peer shops?
     
  3. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    muzaffar sab's blasting of riyaz shah.

    it seems "they" have realized, albeit a bit late, that muzaffar sab refuting one half of the group and hugging the other half is not good for the group as a whole.
     
  4. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    In that video with Syed Riaz Shah, Syed Irfan Shah repeats his same charges against Jalali Sahib, even though those have been refuted and contradictions laid bare.

    Don't see an end to this and Shah sahib has very much attached himself to the camp he spent decades refuting. It feels like that Shah Sahib is thinking that guidance is maqoof to the ittiba (following) of Syed and whatever they say is correct.
     
  5. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    Which videos have been taken down? @Unbeknown
     
  6. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    videos taken down
     
  7. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

     
  8. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Active Member

    Why do we even want to find out the reason, whether personal or not? The guy has absolutely no credibility left and is continuing to make a mockery out of himself.

    Irfan Shah cannot be accepted in any way as a "leader" and representative of sunnism in the future! (he never was a "Hujjatul Islam" even back then)
     
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  9. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    all that remains is irfan shah to come back to the UK and do a joint conference with mufakkir e mufaddila dr. PAQS and his estranged flock.
    irfan shah's body language shows that he is a defeated man. that confident, 'sunniyon ka shahenshah' swagger is not there.

    sub'HanAllah. nas'alu Allaha al-aafiyah.
     
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  10. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    They should apologise to the Sunni public for causing unnecessary confusion and division. The public need to wake up and stop singing to the tune of such personalities
     
  11. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    This is the disappointing thing but what would be interesting is when we find why has Syed Irfan Shah decided to refute Jalali sahib and team up with the Tafdhli crew?

    This would shine a light on this whole sorry affair. If it transpires that it was a personal issue then Syed Irfan Shah and others involved should be banned from public stages.
     
  12. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Active Member

    Muzaffar Shah is obviously deliberately keeping mum when it comes to Irfan Shah. Where has all his "josh" suddenly gone?

    The same things that he had been defending not long ago have all been broken by Irfan Shah yet he keeps quiet. And he is not doing any favours by giving a title of "Hujjatul Islam" to Irfan Shah who did not even fit such a category back "then"!

    All these so called peers are just continuing to expose themselves!
     
  13. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I have no respect for any of these molvies, including irfan shah, but really feel sorry for the awam following them and believing that they are ahlussunah wal jamalah
     
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  14. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    seeing who irfan shah is sitting with I have no doubt that he has become a tafzili or uncovered it after hiding among ahlussunah to create fitna.
     
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  15. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    It's going to require the said individuals to put their egos to one side and have frank discussions about the contentious issues. Refutations followed by replies does nothing to solve the issues. Principles need to be given precedence over personalities and politics
     
  16. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    11 months. But nothing has changed since then. So this is Very relevant. Pir Syed Muzaffar shah Saab have praised one and cussed the other it will be interesting to hear their views on the latest alliances

    All of these people like riaz shah Pir munawar jamati Hanif qureshi are said to have done ruju but no evidence anywhere. Since they went public with their heresies they must do ruju publicly.

    it’s no good holding a piece of paper and saying I believe in xyz or simply saying I follow Alahazrat in aqaid, they must recall their exact heretical beliefs and denounce them as gumrahi otherwise it’s all lip service and that doesn’t hold any value.

    Also Syed Muzaffar Shah Saab blasted tariq jamil for referring to Imam Hussain radiAllahu anh as pagal but now they are quiet re Pir Irfan Shah Saab calling Sahaba RadiAllahu anhum as pagal.
     
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  17. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    This all sideshow must come to head soon. Jalali sahib has still not been released, which does not look good.
     
  18. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    But a key point why would one say RadiyAllah Anhu, if they actually believe that Amir Muawiyya used to order the disparagement of Sayiduna Ali. That's a bigger gustakhi of Syeduna Ali.
     
  19. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

  20. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    Syed Muzaffar Shah Saab about riaz shah

     

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