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  1. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    @Sunni By Nature linked to the videos that have now come up on youtube.

    i'm assuming Hamid Kazmi sab's speech will also be uploaded soon. he said tahir is a fitnah but if we write off all his fans Ahlus Sunnah will become weak.


    just the same 4shared has become a menace, you gotta register to watch/download the shared files/videos.

    we might never know the true position of Muzaffar Shah sahab, as he's (i've heard) the father in law of Irfan Shah's son, and considering how aggressive Irfan Shah sab can get, he might be in a tough spot. we all know desi culture of family and in-laws dramas

    commercial naatkhwani, emotional speeches, naarebazi, over-the-top aqeedatmandi, and lofty seven lines long titles are drugs that the Sunni awam is addicted to, and the dealers are the unqualified peers

    this is really a mureedi turf war with people hiding behind real or unreal aqidah and hukme Shariah points (as people familiar with ground realities are saying)

    i was told Asif Jalali sab, and Khadim Hussain sab too are well known for their aggressive behaviour and colorful language towards other Sunni scholars. so really the gaalis cancel each other out on both sides of the equation and no one needs to get emotional at any real or perceived mazloom

    Allah help us
     
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  2. Sunni By Nature

    Sunni By Nature Active Member

    Another conference that was held a few days ago:

     
  3. Sunni By Nature

    Sunni By Nature Active Member

    The full speech of Shaykh Irfan Shah Mash’hadi al-Musawi:



    The strong comments:



    The speech of Shaykh Saeed Ahmad Asad:



    The speech of Mufti Hanif Qureishi



    The full conference:

     
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  4. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Well-Known Member

  5. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    as few brothers have pointed out
    this issue has seriously exposed real scholars vs fake fraud charlatans.

    There is no doubt, Dr Asif Jalali position is based on ilm and adab and the point he was trying to make was a very valid point.
    khanqah shopkeepers took this opportunity to play with the emotions of awaam, to fool the awaam and increase their revenues through fanbase. Not a single charlatan has provided any reference or textual evidence for his claims, rather they resorted to foul language and takfir.

    only 3 people stood out as true scholars
    1. mawlana aslam bandylawi
    2. mawlana hassan raza
    3. mawlana asif jalali

    mawlana aslam bandaylawi quotes hadith from bukhari
    Narrated `Aisha:

    Usama approached the Prophet (ﷺ) on behalf of a woman (who had committed theft). The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The people before you were destroyed because they used to inflict the legal punishments on the poor and forgive the rich. By Him in Whose Hand my soul is! If Fatima (the daughter of the Prophet (ﷺ) ) did that (i.e. stole), I would cut off her hand."

    my question to rafidi shias
    is bukhari a nasibi and khariji
    did you ever look the commentary on this hadith by nawawi and ibn hajar?

    if dr jalali is kaafir for saying sahaba are not masum then how about ibn hajar and nawawi ?




    the worst ones
    1. tanveer hashmi asking his fans to lodge police complaints and work like gangsters and mobsters and inflict damage and loss on Dr Jalali

    2. habib ahmed huseni minhaji tahir ul padri stooge

    3. pakistani politician turned "scholar"

    4. silent watcher munawwar
     
  6. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Well-Known Member

    There is one thing positive that has come out of this, and that is it has exposed all these pseudo peers with lofty titles who claimed to be from the Ahle Sunnat.

    They have all lost their credibility!
     
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  7. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    As mentioned previously, I struggle to see the benefit of either side's continued clips and videos in this issue. With every new video, what is Jalali Sahib going to prove, Sayida Fatima was mistaken or made mistakes. Conversely, how are the other side going to prove Jalali sahib is a gustakh, by manipulating sunni principles and muddying the waters. Looking at things objectively, neither stances are benefiting sunnis. Jalali sahib clarified his stance, so no need to respond to every new video. The other side can't seem to produce a reputable fatwa, so Jalali sahib is better off leaving them to it. The truth will become clear.

    Jalali sahib needs to move on and as requested by Muhadith e Kabeer so should the other side.

    I think we as the awaam should not bother listening to them anymore on this issue. They (these 'scholars')will soon realise that who they ACTUALLY need on their side or who they should be serving.

    We have been brought up to respect scholars and scholarship (that's what separates us from the likes of the salafis) but they have a responsibility to educate the awaam on the masla, and not serve their egos or their personal agendas. It's becoming very hard to take many of them seriously anymore.
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

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  9. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    Know the Fake, Fraud and Charlatans of our times:
    All these donkeys (literally donkeys) need to be blacklisted.

    Pir Abdul Qadir Jilani of Walthamstow -- i thought this rafidi was dead,
    The Rafidi Pir





    Another One


    Another One Tanveer Hashmi
    The Shite - Rafidi fool of our times


    Has no problems with Rawafid

    Another One:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZH55-0TtJs

    ANother One:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0G82P1WbfY
    There is no doubt that the real shaytan is Habib Ahmed Huseni of Bangalore Hyderabad for doubting the Islam of Sahaba saying that they became Muslims just to show off but they were not real muslims, that's what this donkey-minhaji-kid is trying to prove.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-UeJv3yxls

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7135V_Sjt_s

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS0AJMMctsY
     
  10. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    He's an open rafidi. I just randomly clicked at the 20 min mark on that video and he was talking abt Hadith of 3ammar and denying Ameer Mu3awiyah's sahabi status and calling him "insani shaytan"
     
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Anyone who thinks Sayyids have season tickets to do as they wish should read the details of this ayah.

    I meant influential... Sorry for sabqate electroni.

    How dare you? His title says "Wakeele Ahle Bayt Sultanud Dalail"

    It is for this reason im wary of titles. Even Fazal Chishti sahab has "Shamsheere Ala Hazrat" before his name.

    I'm looking for a Smart Bomb e Ala Hazrat for our times.

    Any feedback from mufti Akmal or Darul Uloom Amjadiya or Nizamiya? Or they feel it is better to worry about their personal and institutional reputations as opposed to the beliefs of the awam? What abt Darul Ifta of Dawate İslami?

    As they say in Bombay, everyone's a shaana.
     
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  12. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    let me reiterate the sunni position
    open up any aqida book
    tahawi nasafi taftzani ali qari ushi ashari baqillani furak

    sahaba or sahabiyat are not infallible
    they make mistakes.
    awliya make mistakes


    anyone who says otherwise, is a fool needs to exposed as charlatan and fraud running a pir-i-muridi shop.

    a challenge to all these foolish charlatans calling themselves allamah shaykh al islam mufakkir ghazali e zaman and other lofty titles

    o donkeys, please cite one reliable early aqida text which says sayyidah is masum or cannot make mistakes

    only 1 text is enough. please.
     
  13. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    a minhaj ul quran tahir ul padri khalifah
    in charge of india operations also joins the bandwagon

    this clown is also one of a kind
    he is so shameless that he can't stop referring cake padri "shaykh al-islam"

    habib ahmed huseni holds the minhaj franchise for India



    did he ever hear of aqida nasafi or taftazani ?

    i am telling you, more and more donkeys appearing on the scene each day.
     
  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    suddenly they have woken up to imkan-dhati and imkan-wuqu'yi.
    those who don't know about it can refer to "truth about a lie" in which the terms were explained.

    ---
    rawafid ki tasalli kar di.
    now the devbandis will have fun.

    la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.
     
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  15. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    pir-i-muridi seems like lucrative market
    no academic qualifications required
    only oral qualifications required
    some presentation like pir munawar jamati style christian style...

    donkeys probably never ever heard of aqida tahawiyya !!!










     
  16. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    cartoon character Yasin Qadri
    attacking anyone who sides with Dr Jalali





    several videos are emerging

    these characters have little scholarship but more sales/marketing skills
    they are selling their deen faster than they can sell their children.
     
  17. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    what in the world in going on
    khadim rizvi joins too







     
  18. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Well-Known Member

    Also another one:

     
  19. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Well-Known Member



    Some mukhalif tries to respond to Fawatih al Rahmut
     
  20. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

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