Fadak and khatā

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  1. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    Know the Fake, Fraud and Charlatans of our times:
    All these donkeys (literally donkeys) need to be blacklisted.

    Pir Abdul Qadir Jilani of Walthamstow -- i thought this rafidi was dead,
    The Rafidi Pir

    Another One

    Another One Tanveer Hashmi
    The Shite - Rafidi fool of our times

    Has no problems with Rawafid

    Another One:

    ANother One:
    There is no doubt that the real shaytan is Habib Ahmed Huseni of Bangalore Hyderabad for doubting the Islam of Sahaba saying that they became Muslims just to show off but they were not real muslims, that's what this donkey-minhaji-kid is trying to prove.



  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    He's an open rafidi. I just randomly clicked at the 20 min mark on that video and he was talking abt Hadith of 3ammar and denying Ameer Mu3awiyah's sahabi status and calling him "insani shaytan"
  3. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Anyone who thinks Sayyids have season tickets to do as they wish should read the details of this ayah.

    I meant influential... Sorry for sabqate electroni.

    How dare you? His title says "Wakeele Ahle Bayt Sultanud Dalail"

    It is for this reason im wary of titles. Even Fazal Chishti sahab has "Shamsheere Ala Hazrat" before his name.

    I'm looking for a Smart Bomb e Ala Hazrat for our times.

    Any feedback from mufti Akmal or Darul Uloom Amjadiya or Nizamiya? Or they feel it is better to worry about their personal and institutional reputations as opposed to the beliefs of the awam? What abt Darul Ifta of Dawate İslami?

    As they say in Bombay, everyone's a shaana.
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  4. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    let me reiterate the sunni position
    open up any aqida book
    tahawi nasafi taftzani ali qari ushi ashari baqillani furak

    sahaba or sahabiyat are not infallible
    they make mistakes.
    awliya make mistakes

    anyone who says otherwise, is a fool needs to exposed as charlatan and fraud running a pir-i-muridi shop.

    a challenge to all these foolish charlatans calling themselves allamah shaykh al islam mufakkir ghazali e zaman and other lofty titles

    o donkeys, please cite one reliable early aqida text which says sayyidah is masum or cannot make mistakes

    only 1 text is enough. please.
  5. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    a minhaj ul quran tahir ul padri khalifah
    in charge of india operations also joins the bandwagon

    this clown is also one of a kind
    he is so shameless that he can't stop referring cake padri "shaykh al-islam"

    habib ahmed huseni holds the minhaj franchise for India

    did he ever hear of aqida nasafi or taftazani ?

    i am telling you, more and more donkeys appearing on the scene each day.
  6. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    suddenly they have woken up to imkan-dhati and imkan-wuqu'yi.
    those who don't know about it can refer to "truth about a lie" in which the terms were explained.

    rawafid ki tasalli kar di.
    now the devbandis will have fun.

    la Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.
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  7. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    pir-i-muridi seems like lucrative market
    no academic qualifications required
    only oral qualifications required
    some presentation like pir munawar jamati style christian style...

    donkeys probably never ever heard of aqida tahawiyya !!!

  8. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    cartoon character Yasin Qadri
    attacking anyone who sides with Dr Jalali

    several videos are emerging

    these characters have little scholarship but more sales/marketing skills
    they are selling their deen faster than they can sell their children.
  9. ramiz.noorie

    ramiz.noorie Active Member

    what in the world in going on
    khadim rizvi joins too

  10. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Well-Known Member

    Also another one:

  11. AR Ahmed

    AR Ahmed Well-Known Member

    Some mukhalif tries to respond to Fawatih al Rahmut
  12. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    padri too. let's see how honest he is to himself and his sycophantic followers. I now count him just as a khanqah shopkeeper.
  14. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Muzaffar Shah sahab doesn't agree with Muhaddithe Kabir (somewhere in 41 mins long video... minhaji stooge tasleem sabri is present)

    Some mufti Abdul Aleem sahab responds. (3 mins long):

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  15. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    1) Takfir with gaali


    2) 8 mins 35 seconds of just maa-behen. sorry but it sounds like a plastered guy sitting in a bar.

    and look at Munawwar jamati and that other guy in the green turban enjoying it fully. there's no 3izz, 3ilm, 3mal, 3fw, 3afiyat in this video, just 3irfan (mashhadi)


    Paqs and the tafzili/rafidi bunch of the UK will be laughing all the way to the bank.

    Let Irfan Shah put his money where his mouth is. Let him come back to the UK and use the same kind of language against the affluent (with the Brits) qadianis.

    Let him use that same kind of language against paqs? What abt Hanif Qureshi or Riyaz shah?


    I got the below msg as a fwd on social media, written by another Sayyid

    .جَنّاب عرفان شاہ صاحب بلعم باعور مت بنیں.......
    بداء الاسلام غریباً و سیعود غریباً
    اسلام مسافری میں شروع ہوا عنقریب مسافر بن جائے گا
    عرفان شاہ کی خرافات سن کر یقین ہو گیا کہ اسلام پر مسافری کا زمانہ آگیا ھے
    عرفان شاہ نے
    حافظ الحدیث کی تربیت پہ پانی پھیر دیا
    عرفان شاہ نے اپنی والدہ کی تربیت کو گندے نالے میں بہا دیا
    جنّاب نے حافظ الحدیث کی روح کو شرمسار کر دیا
    جنّاب نے اھلِ سنت کو گالی بنا دیا
    جنّاب نے بدمذہبوں کو یہ بات بار آور کروا دی کہ گالی شعار ھے
    جنّاب نے کئی کبیرہ گناہوں کا ارتکاب کیا بلکہ عوام کو ان کبیرہ گناہوں پہ ابھارا جس کا گناہِ جاریہ جنّاب کے ذمہ ھے
    جنّاب نے لبرلز کی بات سچی کر دی کہ مولوی جاہل اور گالی گلوچ کے ماہر ہوتے ہیں
    جنّاب آپ سے مجھے نفرت ہوگئی ہے
    جنّاب آپ اھلِ سنت کے سر وبال ہیں اھلِ سنت پہ دھبہ بن گئے ہیں
    جنّاب حدیث پاک کے مطابق ان بیٹھے ہوئے تمام لوگوں میں بد ترین شخص ہیں
    جنّاب حدیث پاک کے مطابق آپ خالص منافق ہیں
    جنّاب اب اللہ تعالی سے ڈریں اسکی خفیہ تدبیر سے ڈریں
    اور بلعم باعورہ نہ بنیں
    خدارا خود پہ رحم کریں....
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  16. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Well-Known Member

    Firstly are any of them even qualified to issue a fatwa? Any qualified muftis amongst them? Let them put forth their evidence from the shariah rather than emotional baseless rants. These people are simply losing their respect by such actions.

    Very sad state of affairs unfortunately, they are just playing into the hands of the rafdis and I am pretty sure the rafdis are enjoying this show! All these so called "peers" should be doing tauba for their actions, especially those who have accused a Muslim of kufr.

    Reminds me about the hadith on the end of times where the ignorant will give speeches and the public would listen to them. Just look at those ignorant audience lifting up their hands in agreement when being asked so.
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  17. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    This has been an ekdumm thudd kilaas episode for Sunnis. Allah help us.
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  18. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    From Fawatih Ar-Rahamut


    Irfan Shah sahab and Muzaffar Shah sahab and all their associates should specify in black and white if their fatwa also applies to the author.

    Chishti sahab mentions it between 01:20:00 and 01:30:00 here

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  19. sherkhan

    sherkhan Veteran

    Opinion without basis is baseless. Least these ulemas/khatibs could have done is stated the guiding principle under which this ruling of deviance/ex-communication/kufr has been issued. Just saying that gustakhi against Sayyida Fatima (radiAllah anha) leads to d/x/k is not enough. Shouldn't they have cited precedence or principle?

    As I said earlier, this episode has opened my eyes to the calibre of some of these khatibs. The veil/illusion of scholarship has been lifted. Who cares about split?

    Let's see which group of ulemas now issue counter-fatwa in defense of Dr Jalali.
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2020
  20. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    They deliver a fatwa against Jalali sahib.

    But one person is saying kufr, another deviance, another leading to kufr, outside ahl e sunnat, etc.

    When a fatwa is bogus, you get such discrepancies.

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