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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Aqdas, Jun 15, 2020.

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  1. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    It's going to require the said individuals to put their egos to one side and have frank discussions about the contentious issues. Refutations followed by replies does nothing to solve the issues. Principles need to be given precedence over personalities and politics
     
  2. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    11 months. But nothing has changed since then. So this is Very relevant. Pir Syed Muzaffar shah Saab have praised one and cussed the other it will be interesting to hear their views on the latest alliances

    All of these people like riaz shah Pir munawar jamati Hanif qureshi are said to have done ruju but no evidence anywhere. Since they went public with their heresies they must do ruju publicly.

    it’s no good holding a piece of paper and saying I believe in xyz or simply saying I follow Alahazrat in aqaid, they must recall their exact heretical beliefs and denounce them as gumrahi otherwise it’s all lip service and that doesn’t hold any value.

    Also Syed Muzaffar Shah Saab blasted tariq jamil for referring to Imam Hussain radiAllahu anh as pagal but now they are quiet re Pir Irfan Shah Saab calling Sahaba RadiAllahu anhum as pagal.
     
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  3. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    This all sideshow must come to head soon. Jalali sahib has still not been released, which does not look good.
     
  4. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    But a key point why would one say RadiyAllah Anhu, if they actually believe that Amir Muawiyya used to order the disparagement of Sayiduna Ali. That's a bigger gustakhi of Syeduna Ali.
     
  5. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

  6. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    Syed Muzaffar Shah Saab about riaz shah

     
  7. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    Syed Irfan Shah needs to ditch them and come back to supporting Haq. Sh Nabeel has travelled over to Pakistan, so I am hoping after he sees the ground reality, he may come off the Nasabi bandwagon that he accuses Sunnis of.
     
  8. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Of course. That's a given. He's a closet rafidi moron.

    Muzaffar Shah said it like it is - these days in the jahil awam of Pakistan or overseas pakistanis there's this concept that to be a Sayyid or to love and respect Sayyids, one has to cuss at Ameer Mu3awiyah radi Allahu 3anhu.

    This filthy ideology is promoted by closet shias like paqs, hasnain shah and his dad, riyaz shah, Hanif qureshi, et al.

    Lol I remember when Mawlana İlyas Qadri initiated begunah bekhata Mu3awiyah naaras, Hasnain shah called DI as Dawate nawasib. It was hilarious!
     
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  9. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member



    I apologize, it might have been against the pro Ameer Muawiyya nara that was done in the same rally. It is clear that Riaz Shah has an issue with Ameer Muawiyya though.
     
  10. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member



    Watch from 5 minutes onwards and I will post another video short clip too
     
  11. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Frankly it's awesome the way he blasted Riaz Shah and that Shamsu. Why bring in Irfan Shah's name though, moreso as hujjatul Islam, coz clearly he is not? He could have mentioned any other Mashhadi family scholar.

    Irfan shah these days seems too excited to be associated with Munawwar Jamati and that chamar Hanif qureshi. It's like a 4th grader who's just found some new 'best friend'.
     
  12. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

  13. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Any links?
     
  14. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member



    Syed Muzaffar Shah still bigging up Syed Irfan Shah and at the same times refuting Shams ur Rehman and Riaz Shah
     
  15. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

  16. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    What about Shah Abdulhaq sahab and the various Darul Iftas?

    An easier option is to just write off all the celebrity mawlanas and pirs.
     
  17. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

  18. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Well-Known Member

    I have seen pictures and a video of Syed Irfan Shah sharing a stage with Syed Riaz Shah, Hanif Qureshi and Iqbal Chisti. Syed Riaz Shah has openly attacked the nara 'Har Sahabi Jannati', which is an indirect reference to his rejection of the Karachi rally.

    In another video Syed Muzaffar Hussain Shah uses harsh words for Riaz Shah but then praises Syed Irfan Shah as a reliable syed.

    Need to clarify their stances, all of them
     
  19. Sunni Jaag

    Sunni Jaag New Member

  20. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    mashaAllah, May Allah Ta'ala give him more barakah; however, he could have stated all that in 5 minutes, too much repetition, and personal attacks.
     
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