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Discussion in 'Aqidah/Kalam' started by Aqdas, Jun 15, 2020.

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  1. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Active Member

    It is clear that this was no accident and behind it there is a pre-planned agenda, which is obviously linked to the politics of the country. When this agenda becomes clear, we will be better placed to comment.

    The fatwa that you are alluding to is being and will be scrutinized by the ulema, and a judgement will be passed.

    To avoid this becoming rife in the UK. We need to tackle the issues that I have aforementioned and what should also be added is the issue of Tafdhlism and the supposed Nasabism in our ranks. These don't get solved by public refutations and emotional speeches but by creating code of conducts and raising awareness amongst our Sunni public. This requires lobbying our scholars and organisations.
     
  2. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Brother, can you please define "conclusion".

    Jalali is arrested. A fatwa has been passed by the opposing party. Statements have also been issued by the for party.

    Please do let me know which event will signify the finish line for this fiasco.

    Well noted.

    What exactly is that "more", or do you not want to share it?

    When will that be? And again, what event will signify this reality becoming clear?
     
  3. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    All due respect brother From the Two Problems the issue of Fatwa of out of fold of AhleSunnat is the bigger problem here which is causing disunity and confusion amongst Sunni awam
     
  4. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    this is where the confusion arises, Khata e ijtihadi is possible for Sayyidah Aisha radiAllahu Ta’ala Anha, Sayiduna Amir Mu’awiyah RadiAllahu Ta’ala Anhu (and others from Sahaba and ahlebait Allah is pleased with them all) but not for Sayidah Fatimah Zahra radiAllahu Ta’ala anha? Haven’t heard this from Sunni alim before
     
  5. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    not me bro
     
  6. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Active Member

    Let this issue play out to its conclusion as then the reality will become clear. This is not me saying what the defenders of the likes of Hamza Yusuf that there is a grand plan that him and likeminded scholars are working on to safeguard the faith of Muslims. What I am saying that there is more to this issue than what we are aware of. Let's wait until the reality becomes clear.

    What is clear though is the use of foul language by ulema and laypersons in public spaces and the negative effect this is having. The ulema need to take notice of this and of the licitness of the justifications that they provide.

    Furthermore, I know @Aqdas and other brothers have been speaking out against some Nasheed Artists in the recent past. This has now got worse with these artists (who have big followings) as previously there were issues with their behavior and extortionate demands but now they are peddling misguided beliefs too. Again the Ulema need to take notice and come together to tackle this issue.
     
  7. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    thanks for this. then whoever calls you a cheerleader for Irfan Shah has done a khata.
     
  8. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    masum anil Khata are only angels and prophets of Allah peace be upon them all, for everyone else Khata e ijtihadi is possible and can or has happened. I follow the opinion of hazur Muhadith e Kabir may Allah Ta’ala protect them
     
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  9. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    ok what do the majority scholars of the Ahlus Sunnah from khayrul quroon till now say regarding calling Ahle Bayt/Sahaba as masoom? or saying words that really amount to 'not masoom but masoom'? what is the mukhtar fatwa on someone who attributes khatae ijtihadi to Sahaba or Ahle Bayt? is he to be called kafir and gustakh?
     
  10. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Active Member

    Principles v personalities

    will always be supportive of righteous ulama who are in line with ahlesunnat.

    will always follow and support the ulama on the side of the majority.

    majority of Ulama will never be gatherEd upon misguidance. In sha Allah
     
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  11. Tālib ul-Haq

    Tālib ul-Haq New Member

    The Irfan Shah cheerleaders on this forum are silent.

    Zulfiqar Haideri and Ghulam Ali have previously been vocal in defence of Shahji and his gaali gloch. One of them is Raja Nabeel.
     
  12. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Well-Known Member


    Some serious questions for Muzaffar Hussain Shah and Irfan Shah Mash'hadi on the double standards being employed within their circles.
     
  13. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Well-Known Member


    Jalili Sahibs father becomes tearful whilst hearing on stage of the shameful behaviour of his former student Irfan shah who made vile allegations upon him and his deceased wife (may Allah Almighty have mercy on her)
     
  14. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Well-Known Member

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  15. Harris786

    Harris786 Veteran

    Upload it on Vimeo - it’s harder to remove.
     
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  16. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Well-Known Member


    Didn't take long for that YouTube account to get shut down, must have touched a nerve for the mureed mafia to act so quickly. Good thing someone had downloaded a copy and forwarded it onto me.
     
  17. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    I am also surprised why mashadi sahab's camp is quite and not shouting ghustakhi or answering to shia's press conference. kilab un naar have openly, in front of the press, rejected the sahabiyat and khlifat e rashidah of the three companions raDiyAllahu anhum, and denied that Zainab, Ruqayyah, and Umm Kulthoom radiyAllahu anhunna were prophet's daughters alihi salatu wat tasleem.
     
  18. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    Ulama of his own campa should file a FIR of 295c voilation and issue a fatwa e kufr on him as per his own usul because he has pronounced the very exact words for Umm al Mumineen, and Allahmah Ashraf ul Qadri sahab too has used the same word without any qualification while he was objecting on jalali sahab's statement.
     
  19. AbdalQadir

    AbdalQadir time to move along! will check pm's.

    Does anyone have any info if any delegation of scholars contacted Irfan Shah sahib re his allegations of kufr and out of Ahlus Sunnah on Jalali, the same way some scholars were enthusiastic to visit Jalali? I would expect scholars to think of Irfan Shah (if not the rest of that crew) well enough to perhaps at least hope for a rujoo3 from the bogus hukm. He can still maintain Jalali had bad adab but the fatwa itself is bogus.

    What abt if Irfan Shah and Muzaffar Shah sahib have been impacted by Muhaddithe Kabeer and other Barelwi scholars' statements- any info?
     
  20. Brother Barry

    Brother Barry Well-Known Member



    Jalili Sahibs father becomes tearful whilst hearing on stage of the shameful behaviour of his former student Irfan shah who made vile allegations upon him and his deceased wife (may Allah Almighty have mercy on her)
     

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