Fascist Hindu india (and ghazwah e hind)

original edition (reprinted in 1944)
reconstruction of relgious thought by dr.iqbal
https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.217780
PDF: https://archive.org/download/in.ernet.dli.2015.217780/2015.217780.The-Reconstruction.pdf
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also don't forget that he was knighted. of course, his rationale was that his services to literature were recognised and not his politics.

anyway...

 

most influential is not a criterion. does he have proof for what he says and can withstand critical scrutiny is the key.

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i can quote iqbal on this 'freedom to think' and censure of 'blind following'.

nas'alu Allaha al-aafiyah.

 

i did not watch the clip, and with due respect to mawlana khadim hussain rizvi - dreams and claims of visions of RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam are not enough.

when you read his "religious reformation of islam" which is not a translation, but iqbal's own writing, it is clear that his knowledge of islam was superficial, and knowledge patchy - certainly not someone who had properly read a few standard textbooks of islam.

i like iqbal too for some reasons, but not as an islamic scholar or someone whose opinions should be cited in religious discourse.
a short essay on iqbal - what i think of him - has been playing on my mind for some time now. in sha'Allah.

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having been raised on strictness in words we choose to describe angels, prophets etc. iqbal's poetry commits scores of sacrileges. alahazrat would never permit such bad adab or use of such words.

Allah ta'ala knows best.



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exactly.

how many muslims were left behind in india? the price for pakistan is being paid by indian muslims. what muslims in pakistan made of that country is a different story - but because we had to stay behind (mostly because it was not feasible. and it was not logistically viable) we are taunted and reminded regularly of that and we are reduced to second class citizens.

think of excuses for this. who is responsible? and what should our forefathers have done? and what happened to those who migrated to pakistan? why did MQM become a reality?

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two nations theory - as in we muslims are different from others, is a fact. but geographical separation was not a sustainable model. muslims of yore spread out and established islam where there wasn't any. according to this concept of pakistan, muslims were told to be uprooted from their homes of centuries - millions of masjids abandoned and graveyards left to waste.

does this sound sensible?

sub'HanAllah.

 

Allama Khadim Hussain Rizvi on Allama Iqbal (r).

I think we should left it to Molana Sahib. He is the m

 

I think we should left it to Molana Sahib. He is the most influental Alim in Pakistan.

 

I respect mawlana sahib and say aameen to all his prayers and hope with him that Pakistan becomes a model and truly Islamic state.

but the way mawlana has quoted dream-reports to attribute something, positively and with certainty, to rasulAllah (peace be upon him), scares me.

we cannot attribute to rasulAllah (peace be upon him) things - even if they are cent percent factual - unless their authenticity can be established within reasonable bounds.

Of-course, rasulAllah (peace be upon him) cares for his ummah more than we care for ourselves - and so he assuredly cares for the sunnis of Pakistan too - but once you single out a geographic region or name a group of people - you need strong evidence for that - and if that evidence is dreams alone - and dreams of people whose uprightness is not known - merely basing it on husn-zann - then the least we can do is insert a word of caution - or something to dilute it's absolute certainty.

Maybe it's true that Pakistan - and not India, nor Bangladesh - is the "hind" mentioned in the reports and maybe the dreams are true - but that "maybe" has it's worth and it cannot be eliminated altogether.

A short read on authentication of reports based on kashf: http://www.livingislam.org/k/qumh_e.html (do read the last answer as well).

Maybe mawlana saqib didn't mean the attribution to be taken as absolutely certain - but he should have chosen his words more carefully.

See the chaos that "dreams" have caused to our people - we want less and not more of this.

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As for Iqbal's poetry, you can read it here: http://iqbalurdu.blogspot.in/2011/03/bang-e-dra-042-hindustani-bachon-ka.html

It includes the following lines too:


The garden in which Nanak sang the song of Tawhid of God

Whose denizens are Kaleems, whose mountains the Sinais are
Where the Prophet Nuh’s boat and its occupants had landed


should we also confirm nanak's Islam - or monotheism - based on these lines? And that Sayyiduna Nuh ('alayhis salaam)'s mega-vessel landed in Pakistan? and therefore mount Judiy is somewhere in Pakistan? Our Turkish brothers will not be happy to hear that ...

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

With due respect brother Abu Hasan.
Secular Jinnah is just a myth which Pakistans secular liberal qadiani brigade propagate.

Here is a good book whicu debunk the myth

http://bookshop.blackwell.co.uk/bookshop/product/Secular Jinnah & Pakistan/9781906628222

A video where Quaid e azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah destroy ethnic nationalism within Indian muslims.


Allama Iqbals friend Leopold Weiss Muhammad Assad.

 

with due respect to all the mashayikh who may have supported jinnah in relation to pakistan. a lot of it is hearsay, and dreams etc. as i have said, i won't argue against it - but where are any documents backing these claims (from mashayikh as well?)

i feel jinnah is being lionised as a primarily muslim leader whose vision was a 'second madinah' in pakistan. i can understand that pakistanis desperately cling to this idea of a sufi, sunni, ashiq-e-rasul jinnah. but what is apparent from documents is that he was a secular politician who helped create pakistan.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

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the controversial "missing" speech of jinnah to the constituent assembly is cited by secularists as proof of jinnah's vision for pakistan as a secular state. it is claimed that hte speech was destroyed. i am just stating the case - not taking sides. with the disclaimer that i am a proud muslim, who wishes for a muslim pakistan and who unequivocally supports the vision of pakistan to be an sunni-islamic country.

http://www.pakistani.org/pakistan/legislation/constituent_address_11aug1947.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24034873

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aside:
mawlana sahib got carried away and translated literally: 'my Lord smiles' though he does, qualify it as 'befitting his majesty'. but it would have been better if he either avoided the expression completely or

yes, there is a hadith that can be literally translated as: 'smiles' or 'laughs'. but should be clarified at any rate.
[see bayhaqi's al-asma'a wa's sifat, vol.2 p.401: 'on what has been reported concerning DaHk/laugh']:




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Here Allama Sahib are giving a general mafhoom of Hadis sharif on muslims of Pak o hind in a interview

Thank you brother Abu Hasan. May Allama Sahib know the mafhoom.
Allah know best

 

also, mawlana's description of 'ghazwah' meaning "those battles in which Huzur sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam was himself present" is not right. because, in sirah books, the number of ghazwahs conducted by RasulALlah sallALlahu alayhi wa salam were 29 and explicitly said that in those 29, he was himself present in 7 or 8 or 9 of them.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

[PS: nothing against our pakistani bretheren. we love you and we wish the best for you and expect the best from you. wa billahi't tawfiq.].

 

with due respect to mawlana saqib. the hadith of 'breeze in hind' has no relation to ghazwah e hind.

also, no dispute about ghazwah e hind.

but making a claim that it is INDEED pakistan and against the present day india is moot.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

Bayan by Allama Pirzada Saqib Raza Mustafai on Pakistan, Ghazwa e hind

 

zaid hamid's approximations on one side, i find his poetic license with hadith very irritating.

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hadith should be stated as they are, and it is the adab of hadith in such cases (as mentioned below), that one clarifies: 'it is my interpretation' instead of stating it absolutely as if this is what RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam said.

then there is the sleight of hand.

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start with his assertion that mashriq "east" mentioned in the hadith is pakistan. and he quickly says that khawarij will rise and pakistani army is fighting them. this is grossly untrue.

the 'mashriq' mentioned in the hadith, has other corroborating hadith that point to najd - and indeed, the biggest fitan of khawarij (who dissented from and fought mawla ali karramAllahu wajhah), and the wahabis rose from the 'mashriq'. ibn baaz in his annotations on fat'h al-bari pushed it further to iraq citing ibn Hajar al-asqalani's statement. zaid hamid is pushing it even further to pakistan.

keep pushing until you reach japan.

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around 4.00, he insists that "there is no doubt that it is pak army." and then says that "this was prepared under the watchful eye of sayyidi RasulAllah sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam".

and the proof? jinnah's dream. and that someone fullat's grandson acknowledged it on live tv on mubashir luqman's programme (go figure). and shabbir usmani's dream (no devbandis issue here?) and of course, iqbal's mission and vision.

ew.

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you can ask me, 'why can't it be?' - i say: could be. but only zaid hamid can insist that it is THIS VERY PAKISTAN ARMY which will fight india and go to syria and fight the last battle with israel.




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besides he is so certain of everything - he says: 'there won't be two different armies from khurasan and east'. WHY NOT? unless there is that kind of specification in sahih hadith (oh, we didn't even discuss the grade of hadith zaid is using) no one can say there won't be any other.

zaid hamid's rationale is that the hadith that says: 'the army from khurasan that enters shaam/syria will be with mahdi' and then his justifications that only pakistan (being a nuclear power) fits the bill.


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he mentions a narration:
"I am Arab, but Arab is not in me and i am not Hind but Hind (Pakistan) is in me" apparently from 'tabarani in his awsat' [ignoring the bad spellign in the vid]. i didn't venture to verify this hadith; if there is arabic wording, we can do the validation. [unlike other 'narrations' mentioned in this video, you don't see the arabic wording for this hadith. note.]

according to convenience, hind is india, hind is pakistan, khurasan is pakistan, east is only pakistan , sindh is pakistan.

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at 0:31 he says about a 'hadith': 'i feel cool breeze coming from the earth of Hind.' [sic from video] which tags it as narration from 'sahih muslim'.

i will grant it that zaid might not be responsible for this, but to set the record right, this hadith is NOT found in sahih muslim. it is found in mustadrak of Hakim, #4053:





notice that this hadith is NOT about fighting with hind or its mujahidin. pardon my understanding of arabic but it does not even say: 'i feel a cool breeze' notwithstanding iqbal's poetry as a verification standard. the hadith simply says:

'the best air on earth is in india'. and that is because 'when Adam alayhi's salatu was' salam descended in india and the trees therein (india) caught a whiff from the air of paradise'.

this is sahih according to imam muslim's conditions, but it was not mentioned in his sahih [nor in bukhari].

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the rule of thumb concerning the hadith of portents is that, it could be interpreted in n different ways; nobody can claim that their interpretation is the the correct and the only valid interpretation.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

Corrupt Pak millitary? This is not true. At least not true with realities. This is not the view of sunni masses in Pakistan.

 

This would be more valid interpretation about the upcoming war Ghazwa e hind between Pakistan and Modi India.

 

imran hossein makes a valid and sensible point. zayd hamid (I didn't know he was 'sir') is being sensationalist as usual.

this was discussed earlier here: http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/todays-khorasan-is-pakistan.8692

this report from kitaab-al-fitan quoted by sidi abu Hasan in the post below clearly mentions that the army will be sent by the "ruler of bayt al maqdis":



and this report has ample allusions to Imam Mahdi (raDyiAllahu'anhu) being that ruler:




and why will the Pak army return to shaam?

and what could make anyone think that "hind" excludes pakistan and the reports therefore actually refer to Pakistan "recapturing" India?!

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zayd hamid just fell short of explicitly conferring the title of "afdalul shuhada" on the Pak soldiers who lost their lives in any of it's wars with India to date. He said it without seeming to. I am sorry but no thinking person will buy his rhetoric.

It is possible that a future Pak army (if there is one, May Allah ta'ala protect our lands) will join ranks with the army arriving from outside, but it can't possibly be referring to any army comprising of Pakistanis exclusively, let alone the present day corrupt Pak military.

And Allah ta'ala knows best, His Wisdom is Perfect, His Word cannot be gainsaid, His Plans cannot be frustrated and His Mercy takes precedence over His Wrath.

 

so is this is an event during the time of mahdi alayhisalam?

 

for bio of imam nu`aym ibn hammad, see siyar a'alam al-nubala of dhahbi, 10/595, entry #209.

some more narrations from fitan: http://sunniport.com/index.php?threads/cult-mind-control.11128/page-10#post-46439

 

the reason could be the narrations in kitab al-fitan of nu'aym ibn Hammad (d.239) who is a thiqah narrator, shaykh of imam bukhari, and whose narrations are present in sahih bukhari, abu dawud, tirmidhi etc.

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in these narrations, it is said "that when THAT army returns, they will find yisa ibn mariyam [alayhi's salam] in syria.' meaning the army that wages the ghazwah e hind.

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kitab al-fitan, p.409-410: