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Discussion in 'Hadith' started by izz al-Din, Apr 12, 2017.
You just don't have any control over some things
same old boring rants. get innovative. try something else. all the better if you can say it in dolorous tones and upload it here. we will be careful not to click it.
besides, no one's holding you back. your honor may get lost anytime it pleases his capacious head.
we promise we won't object.
from your style of writing it is quite obvious that you are not a sunni. otherwise, if you are, and you ascribe to the true teachings of Sayyiduna Imam Ahmed Rida alaihi rahmah wa riDwan, then provide references from his works in defense of your views.
again, very simple job, no need to waste your energy on hitting the keyboard to respond to mockery etc.
let all on this forum see your real adherence to Ala Hazrat.
i insist that calling you an idiot is not profanity or vulgarity. and it was not because we had nothing better to do. some people have very high opinion of their own competence and they need to be reminded.
i insist that calling a person an idiot is neither profane nor vulgar, nor does it mean that the person's upbringing is poor.
going by your standards you have called people dogs and what not. just cut-and-paste of arabic doesn't mean you are pristine.
you will still have to demonstrate that you understood sakhawi's suyuti's or ajluni's text. or even your own cut and paste.
yes, no wonder, because they could never prove their nonsense, they kept ranting, just like you do, but never answered simple questions.
we are bad mouths, abusive, standard cut and paste, but you are not, so why don't you post your translation of the below quote?
Do not reply to my deriding, and laughing at you, which i really can't help; rather focus on proving your stance and reply to serious yet very simple and basic question.
POST THE TRANSLATION OF YOUR QUOTE, that is we asked.
otherwise, why should i and everbody else, who has brain, should not laugh.
but you didn't answer my questions. i don't think you have understood your cut-and-paste. why don't you prove me wrong?
message for street kids with no proper upbringing and bent over using profanity and vulgarity against other muslims. keep laughing moderator
فليضحكوا قليلا وليبكوا كثيرا
keep up with with profanity, because it is all about showing off. i understand.
لَيْسَ الْمُؤْمِنُ بِالطَّعَّانِ وَلَا اللَّعَّانِ وَلَا الْفَاحِشِ وَلَا الْبَذِيءِ
إِذَا أَصْبَحَ أَحَدُكُمْ يَوْمًا صَائِمًا فَلَا يَرْفُثْ وَلَا يَجْهَلْ فَإِنْ امْرُؤٌ شَاتَمَهُ أَوْ قَاتَلَهُ فَلْيَقُلْ إِنِّي صَائِمٌ إِنِّي صَائِمٌ
you guys are living proof of what many said about this forum. no wonder ao many have left this forum because of you people. too bad that you people acribe yourselves to the path and way of alahazrat ahmad raza khan of bareilly. who can blame the sufis when false pirs and cut and paste pretenders ascribe themselves for worldy fame and name. no manners.
yeah, just like shaykh asrar became a turncoat because some random wahabi called him a brother.
first of all your interference was unwarranted. it was a matter of fadayil in some unrelated aspect, and i had 'cut and pasted' from a well-known muhaddith known as mulla ali al-qari. in your arrogance, you forget that the statements you are making in this topic, are actually accusations leveled on senior and well-known muhaddithin. in your arrogance, you fail to see that
that is why i asked you whether you knew al-iraqi.
perhaps, perhaps not. but we won't believe that you have understood it, until you translate that passage yourself and explain it. should any objections arise, you should be able to answer those questions.
but what you did with abu-amr's quote is not cut and paste. indeed. perhaps you typed out that passage from memory - if it is not cut and paste. certainly mumkin. wAllahu a'alam.
seriously, i encourage you to REALLY analyse the narrations/ruwwat of the hadith to check if you are missing something. there is no harm in looking at it once again.
and i would love to see if you can add airab to what you posted without standard cut and paste. i can't help laughing at you.
Do you really can read AND understand what you cut and pasted?
If you really do, then at least post a translation.
So, you proved that you are an i-d-i-o-t, and a standard cut and paste.
typical behavior by cut and paste rookies who pretend they understand. hey, next time you cut and paste, make sure you know what you are posting and arguing for.
as for those who seriously want to know thr status of this weak hadith which has apparently has another weak hadith as witness, then ibn salah and other scholars laid down the principles (may be these principles are hard to understand for cut and paste pretenders)
قال الشيخ أبو عمرو: لا يلزم من ورود الحديث من طرق متعددة كحديث «الأذنان من الرأس» أن يكون حسنا; لأن الضعف يتفاوت فمنه ما لا يزول بالمتابعات يعني لا يؤثر كونه تابعا أو متبوعا كرواية الكذابين والمتروكين ومنه ضعف يزول بالمتابعة كما إذا كان راويه سيئ الحفظ أو روى الحديث مرسلا فإن المتابعة تنفع حينئذ ويرفع الحديث عن حضيض الضعف إلى أوج الحسن أو الصحة والله أعلم
قال الشيخ أبو عمرو : . والله أعلم
not just that.
all he said was that you were an idiot. vile, despicable, abominable, disgusting, abuses.
for once, i agree with you. he should not have called you an idiot, and let you to prove that yourself.
it is fine if you don't know about hafiz al-iraqi. no need to get annoyed. he is hafiz ibn Hajar's shaykh and a respected muhaddith.
as i said, you did not read any of the 'cut and paste'. try it, and you may gain some understanding.
no red herrings. my 'cut and paste' were straight and related to the point. the question of knowing some muhaddith was incidental - because you ranted on corroborations and assumed that i claimed shahid for that hadith. i thought you probably did not know about iraqi and therefore deriding that.
it is clear that you didn't read or understand anything about the criticism of this hadith.
instead of ranting, why don't you clearly explain where hakim cited the hadith and who criticised it and who explained it? if you do not want to take the 'cut and paste' explanations of sakhawi, suyuti, ajluni and others?
am open, but i would like to see a real examination of rijal - AND NO CUT AND PASTE please.
so we await your explanation and analysis of the hadith and its rijal - if you don't or you cannot, everyone will think that your speech is mere bluster.
are you guys serious? the guy comes back with red herrings, do you know so and so? and moderator noori takes free hand in vile abuses as usual.
the question was not about do you know so and so scholar? the questions were about the hadith in question and status.
this thread is a classic example where the guy does standard cut and paste without even know what is being argued or discussed by the author.
al hakim narrates a hadith in his book, 400 years after al hakim comes a scholar who does a revision or verification and says al hakim made a mistake.
rookie cut and paste and his side kick come and tell that scholar who did revision of al hakim's narration, 'do you know al hakim?' and start with abuses.
this is the reality of these people. if you are having hard time getting in, may be you should check al haythami and his revision of ahmed ibn hanbal's musnad and ask al haythami ' do you know ibn hanbal?'
keep with your standard cut and paste, some day you may be lucky.
post#4 - great post by sidi abu Hasan.
For users of sunniport - sidi is like a conduit to the knowledge contained in the great books of our lofty tradition. I don't know if I would ever had read these had they not been posted here.
mashaAllah wa barakAllahu feek
surely, he might have been enchanted by the phrase: 'hafiz al-iraqi was a man, and i am a man'.
perhaps it is not a bluff, and he is a genuine muhaddith. let us see if he can enlighten us about a few things he implies that he knows.
standard cut and paste means a person who copies from some random website. i actually found it in those books, and posted them here. it takes some effort and SOME knowledge to find a quote in a book, particularly old books that don't have extensive indices. perhaps it is because i am a beginner that i think that it takes some effort, though basir's condescending statement implies that is easy as googling a term and copy-paste from a website.
when did i say it was an 'authentic' hadith?
so you are overruling hafiz al-iraqi, sakhawi, suyuti and ajluni. good.
but just curious, and pardon my impudence, do you know who hafiz al-iraqi is?
while your capacity to shoot your mouth and inability to reason is noted, i discovered a new manqabah of yours. i had assumed that you were capable of reading arabic, but it seems you cannot.
in the "cut-and-paste from muhaddithin" it is clearly mentioned why the hadith was deemed weak or fabricated, without the need for a student to do his independent research.
let us see what you have understood from la'ali of suyuti, for example.
wa billahi't tawfiq.
the idiot is saying that a student of hadith should not only quote muhadditeen, but also act like a muhadith and reject or approve narrations based upon his own whims, regardless of what muhadditheen have said; otherwise, he is not a student of hadith.
seriously, do you know who hafiz al-iraqi is? and ajluni? and ali al-qari?
i don't claim to know better than you, but surely these august personalities knew about usul al-hadith more than you.
i am sorry.
how about beginner-student? or even beginner in studies of hadith? please replace 'student' with that.