Hadrat Siddiq-e-Akbar | radiyAllahu Ta'ala 'anhu

With all due respect, Abul Fadl, learning tajwid which is about giving each letter its due, does not always stem from an inferiority complex. Sayyiduna Rasul Allah sallallah `alayh wa sallam recited the qur'an in its most beutiful and correct manner, and those with accurate and well-preserved ijazaat preserve this method.

It is not about Arab accents. Compare the syrian accent to the following tajwid of sh. Samir an-Nass from Syria:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apZAiVJyxrQ

It is clear that it is about reciting qur'an in the closest method that we can to that of Sayyiduna Muhammad Rasul Allah sallallah `alayh wa sallam, and not about imitating Arab accents (there are many, in case you didn't figure that out).

Was-salam

 

so whats your name Abu Fadl. This thread is about shah sahib , why you trying to change the direction to Pir karam shah alaihi rahma.

 

Where is the tajweed error that you speak of?
Here is a lecture by Hazrat Zia-ul-Ummat Pir Karam Shah Sahib al-Azhari, one of the greatest scholars in recent decades after his own Pir, Shaikh-ul-Islam Qamar-ul-Din Pir of Siaal Sharif.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9-aDt38QaM&feature=related
Will Abu Hasan, wadood and co. complain of his tajweed too? He spent time in Egypt too but did not bother to attempt to imitate an Arab accent like some of the young dudes suffering from an inferiority complex do here in the uk, trying to sound more Arab than the Arabs!

All this shows is the malevolent intentions and tactics of some of the bigots on here against qibla Shah Sahib.

...and regarding my name, I don't hide behind a fake name to attack and make shoddy refutations against senior Ulama of the Ahl-e-bayt - that's just plain cowardice.

 

In today's Iran, there is hardly any respect for Sayyids that I find existing for example in Afghanistan. It is a contradition, because the rawafiD claim to have love for the ahl al-bayt.

The thing is, among twelvers, the ahl al-bayt are ONLY 12. The rest of the generations do not come into the definition of the ahl al-bayt.

So, you can have them insulting and torturing Sayyids in Iran. Shirazi was under house arrest and died in house arrest and later his funeral was defamed. There are so many examples. Honestly, but our Sunni elders are correct.

Neither the wahhabis love the ahl al-bayt as they are supposed to, and neither the rawafiD

Shaykh Sayyid 'Irfan Shah al-Mashadi is correct. Both the wahhabis and the rawafiD are the enemies of the ahl al-bayt. InshaAllah, I will write more on this some time later.

 

sherkhan, I am honest and do not have the ability to make jokes

 

for better or worse, the silver lining of having to deal with wahabiism is that alhamdulillah most Sunnis have become immune to emotional blackmail and hot air like:

he's a syed [half of iranian "ayatollah's too claim such and they too love playing that syed card- on the opposite end we also have people like mawdudi and ahmed khan who were also syeds, rightly or wrongly attributed to it ... there is no 'aqidah or fiqh rule that states a Syed can't fall into dhalalah or make a mistake... i wonder what such people say to mawdudi and ahmed khan]

people a,b,c are khawarij [with no evidence provided in regards to how so]

... and other such straw men like the straw man implication that it was suggested imitating colloquial arab accents is equal to knowing the qawa'id of tajweed (nonetheless, to imply that arabs are not the benchmark for arabic is simply tragic, even given the fact that quranic arabic isn't like modern day colloquial arabic. we might as well say the swedes speak the best chinese, the french speak the best russian, the arabs are the benchmark for portuguese and i guess mirpuri's speak the best italian)

... and the straw man that the progeny of the Blessed Seyyidatina Fatima radi Allahu 'anha is attacked... and so on

deal with the objective facts if you wish to be taken seriously people!

 

apologies, I mistook minimum "5 characters" limit for "5 words" limit.

 

pass.

You are a buffoon (I really didn't want to type this, but the forum wouldn't let me post a message less than 5 words; so I couldn't think of any other 4 word filler!)

 

http://www.sunnitalk.co.uk/the-foru...y-to-the-liars-and-followers-of-sunni-tv#3489

Now then Zulfiqar , swear a few more insults on them or just back down and go back into your shell.

No im not from Sunnitalk before you assume that.

 

Just more insults from Zulfiqar. You must have a hot fuse.

 

'zulfiqar hussain', clearly, you have wallowed way beyond your depths! You are drowning my dear brother! I quite honestly suggest that you sit this out but I cannot force you to. Your opponents will love you to stay though ...

 

Muhammedi I agree with Sherkhan on the issue of posting Shah Sahib Lectures on this forum.Please in future do not post any lectures on this Forum,Whats the point a bit like how do you make a Blind man SEE.
Don't worry this is my final post on this Forum because I believe the Admins are beginning to run this site like Khawarjitalk,I mean people like Hafiz Nisar,Hamzah,Sunnitehreek all one person doesn't even respect his own Father and you can see the Filth he puts up there.

Adios

 

I agree with sherkhan, though Sidi NJ pointing out the title 'dr' and of him knowing Shah Sahib closely, had the right, I believe to say what he said in that post.

sherkhan you should not have said "Get a life" to Sidi NJ, because you are not sensitive to his feelings. Apologize to him.

 

We are still awaiting a response from Muhammadi on a number of issues:

• Ijma'a on Abu Bakr's Superiority (here & here)
• Pir Abdul Qadir Jillani Attacks Imam Bukhari (here)
• Qasida by Imam Zainul Abiden Rahmatullahi 'alayh (here)

While I understand there's a book in progress on one of the above issues, until the answers/clarifications arrive, question marks would remain (and allegations from few would continue to fly thick and fast).

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I am not knowledgable enough to scrutinise and evaluate Shah Sahib's scholarship, but I was definitely disappointed by his crass attack on Imam Bukhari (radiAllahu anhu) & Imam Ghazali (radiAllahu anhu).

But why call Shah Sahib's names? I don't think brother aH has ever labelled Shah Sahib as tafdhili and pronounced him as having left the fold of ahl us-Sunnah; so I'm not sure why ignorants work up so much lather.

If any of our own senior family member (say, father or grand-father) were to cite wrong sources, over-turn a principle of hadith on its head, make serious tajweed errors etc., would any of us call him names? Would it be meet to criticise him in public? If not for his 'scholarship', Shah Sahib deserves respect for his age and his lineage.

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I do think that Shah Sahib has faced more scrutiny than any other sunni ulema. Much of this is due to cowboys at YN.com, who have managed to alienate most by their utter stupidity. Is Shah Sahib the odd one out in the crowd and the one with most flawed research? Why are other ulemas with equally/more flawed command on arabic immune to criticism? Why single out Shah Sahib?

At the risk of repetition, I would plead that only knowledgable on this forum should point mistakes or refute. Shouldn't 'scholarly' disputes be handled more responsibly? In the online, inter-connected world, where calling names is easy, shouldn't mistakes be pointed out in a responsible manner? Did our elders also deliver refutations in full public glare?

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Everytime Shah Sahib gets discussed, passions get inflamed. I suggest that Muhammadi should stop posting links of Shah Sahib's lectures.

 

they haven t answered anything just thrown insults and they moan when their cult is questioned.

Haq aur sadaqat ki nishani
Shah ahmad nuraani

 

I have heard Hafiz Nisaar of khawaarjitalk also known as sunnitehreek,hamza, is giving credit to Syed Irfan Shah for Shias stopping insults to Khulafa e Rashadeen and Sahaba e Karaam on their channels.What a load of Bull the Shias openly challenged Irfan Shah and he never accepted their challenge,they even approached him on Ummah Tv and even confronted him outside the studio.The truth is when Ulema of Sunni Tv accepted the shias challenge and threatened to expose them the shias backtracked.
Welldone Sunni Tv Ulema,you are the true gems of Ahle Sunnat and as to the show boating Molvies hope you have learned a lesson for Bughz Ahle Bayth.

Ya Ali

 

ghulam you are a pure khawarji and regarding Syed Irfan Shah check his views,Why does he constantly lowers the status of Ahle Bayth.If it's not Hazarat Ali (AS) It's Imam Hassan (AS) at least he should stop now he's got his Visa.How can Syed Irfan Sah be a defender of Ahle Sunnat when he openly calls non-Syeds as Syeds and stops Nara Haideri.

La Fata Illa Ali La Saif Illa Zulfiqar

 

chishti raza. Your a sunni and these lot are tafzeeli. They can't take it now they have been found out.

Haq ALI.
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