hizb an-nasr - ghawth al-a'azam sayyidi abdu'l Qadir

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  1. Arshad Ul Qadri, most of the What relates to Ijaza centres on Adab. Even some of those Hizb for protection are not general but specific to a particular Elect of the Ummah. So if anyone not directly linked to that particular Friend of Allah reads the Hizb without permission it COULD have a reaction that the reader is not expecting. If you do not accept this argument then the other related thing on this subject centres around the Blessing that flows through different Chains and the Hizb that are affiliated with Their Chains. This is similar to when the Salaf would say "Mercy Descends when the Righteous are mentioned".

    Allah Knows Best
  2. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    yes, seeing your post it is quite obvious.

    i posted two clips, the first one is an older print, and the second one is from DI. it is obvious that apart from your tiny aql you do not have any other proof.

    i will not respond to your more rants, i have other things to do.
  3. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    and you are missing everything.

    Allah azza wajall commands us to ask those who know i.e. ulama; when you cannot accept allamah kharputi's statement then how on earth i can make you understand this. i have explained what i knew, you accept it or do not accept is your own choice, no more arguments.

    however, your argument of naql is pathetic because whatever knowledge we have is through naql, whether it is quran, hadith, tafsir, fiqh, wazaif etc.

    what is shari'ah? it is naql from elders which you do not accept, as for using aql - it is not enough to use aql alone without naql.
  4. Arshad ul Qadri

    Arshad ul Qadri New Member

    You missed my point.

    I read dua of protection as instructed by the Holy Prophet Peace and Blessings be upon him. I also read hizbs without any peers ijazah. Should I now be worried and doubt in the protection as foretold by our Nabiyy peace and Blessings be upon him? Why should I doubt his sayings? Because a peer told so? His saying is not founded by any of the principles. Nor does it make sense.

    So you really believe Allah wont give the upmost benefit, even when one recites the Burdah with utmost love and reverence for the Holy Prophet Peace and Blessings be upon him, because you found some Naql ? Who did busiri ask ijazah from? Did he put this restriction upon it in order to get utmost benefit from did he order its readers? Did the Holy Prophet Peace and Blessings be upon him told him in his dream to read the Burdah with ijazah in order to get the utmost benefit?
    Use your Aql does this make any sense to you, does the Shariah tells this? Quran is much bigger and more powerful, but in order to get the full benefits from Burdah we need ijazah? What about the saying of the noble Messenger where he says I listen to the Salawaat of the Ahl Al mahabbah myself, or so did he say. But we need a peers ijazah to get full benefit? So its peer Sahib who gives full benefit? Did Allah put this restriction or mentioned anywhere?

    Dawate Islami? They are Juhala with good intentions. That is why Ilyas sometimes insults the image of Islam with his stupid behaviour. They do a lot of work for Islam, but their research or Nuqul in this matter are no proof.

    Besides that, most peers aren't even themselves Ahl to lead others, their Aqeedah is so week and mixed.SSo instructing people in this time to look for ijazah has no meaning. People are today better off without peers.

    Just see Hindi Khwanqaah, especially ashraf e Millat of kichochwi, that guy deceived millions of poor Muslims with Modi and tahir in their sufi conference. Even his nephew tavir used his lineage against matters of creed when attacking Saqib for pointing out the dispute in usul.

    Almost every other peer (who are deemed peers, uber Alim, Wali, buzrug, ruhani) kept their mouth shut where it was wajib upon them to refute in open.

    This is the status of Islam in India today all because of blind accepting peers acts and qawls. Khwanqaah are today a source of mawdu Riwayaat.

    The hakim should wage war upon them, they are the cause that Islam and the Ummah is being weakened. May Allah protect the Ummah from such deceivers.
  5. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    no, it is not about dua or wazaif which are from quran or ahadith sharifah; as i mentioned earlier, you don't need to take permission for dua mathura or durood sharif. every person should try to recite wazaif and dua by himself as much as possible.

    but there are some wazaif, mentioned by early scholars, which are not for everybody and should not be done without permission. for example doing wazaif to control muwakilaat etc.

    the other aspect is that sometimes permission is taken to seek barakah through the chain of ijazah, otherwise wazifah is permissible; for example everybody recites qasidah burdah, but to get real benefit from it allamah umar bin ahmed al kharputi writes 8 conditions in his sharh a'sidat'ush shahdati sharhu qasidati'l burdath, the 7th condition is that

    the reciter should have permission from its authorized people.

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    another clear version from dawat e islami
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  6. Arshad ul Qadri

    Arshad ul Qadri New Member

    So when the Holy Prophet Peace and Blessings be upon him told his Ummah and instructed them to recite so and so dua for protection..
    One should doubt in its protection because some peer told that if you recite this Wird (Quran and dua) you will be attacked get trouble etc. According to which Usul is it allowed to doubt the saying of the Holy Prophet because a peer told otherwise?

    The Usul of Khwanqaah and most current peers don't count because they even legalise Haram in their Khwanqaah, are a bunch of fussaq and have the ruhaniyah of shaytan. They invent such sayings to make mureed dependant and build their group. Almost every Khwanqaah have big enormous villas, thats where there iglaas went.

    Very conveniently the same persons ask a lot of money for taweez, let them do things excessively for them and let them be treated like they are some sort of ghaus. In reality they are a bunch of Juhala deceiving the Ummah.

    These qawls have no base in Islam, not even the Awliya who got those hizbs ever told these things. And even if there is some Naql, there is no proof that the Wali said so. Even if he did, it won't stand against the Qawl of the Holy Prophet Peace and Blessings be upon him in protection by dua mathurah.

    Rather most true peers encourage without restrictions to read Wird and hizbs, because that's what they are for.

    These fake peers should be killed by the hakim as zindiqs and kwhawidj.

    Believe in the Qawl of the Nabi the Holy Prophet Peace and Blessings be upon him, this faith alone will elevate you spiritually and protect you in both worlds.
  7. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    i cannot provide such a list because i have never been interested in such wazaif, my wazifa is mostly durood sharif. most of what i wrote above was explained by a very pious person. i am myself a witness of his piety and uprightness, he has received ijazah of many such wazaif from awlia kiram but he is not a professional amil, and tries to stay away from publicity.

    however, for an example, wazaif in jawahir al kamsah of hazrat ghawth muhammed gawalyaari rahimahullah need permission, and if i remember well, the shaykh himself has mentioned it in the book; i read it few years back. one interesting thing i noticed was that the book was translated by a deobandi, and the wazaif in the book are in clear contrast to their aqidah.

    BUT, do not do the wazaif in it out of curiosity, seek permission from a qualified shaykh who has ijazah of those litanies in the book.
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  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    So then can we have a list of those wazayif that require ijazah?
  9. Noori

    Noori Senior Moderator

    It is true, and it happens due to many reasons;
    1) reciter does not take care of proper adab
    2) some people are so excited to do some wazaif in the beginning and sooner or later their enthusiasm gradually dies out, and they quit in the middle which might have negative concequences.
    3) they recite wazaif without proper guidance, or do not fufill all the pre-requisites for example not performing 5 time prayers
    4) for some wazaif one has to remain in the state of purity as much as possible, because negative forces have higher chances to attack when the reciter is in the state of impurity
    5) some wazaif involve jinns and other creatures, and they don't like to be controlled and always look for weak moments when they can attack back, a minor mistake can have a very serious impact
    6) like pious and upright practioners (amils) of permissible wazaif, there are many those evil practioners who do dirty and kufriyah litanies. These evil practioners (sifli amils) don't like the good ones and they constantly look for such people and do their spells on them, the main reason is that such wazaif and their amils interfere in their dirty works by uncasting their spells from their subjects etc.

    Basirqadri's argument is rubbish, because many wazaif are from Quran itself. Yes, everbody can recite Quran and get barakah, and protection as well, there is no question about it, but doing wazaif of certain quranic verses to achieve something is different. Reciter has to recite it usually at a specific time, with certain conditions, and for a given period, not fulfilling these requirements can lead to problems of varying degree depending upon the litany and its purose.

    However this is for some special wazaif which everybody is not allowed to do without ijazah and guidance. As for wazaif of durood sfarif, there is direct permission from Allah azza wa jall and our prophet alaihi aFdalus salaat wat-tasleem, so generally there is nothing harmful in reciting for example dalail al khairat, the ijzah is taken to receive barakah from elders. Imam jazuli himself took the ijazah of salaat al beer from the girl, to learn that durood and receive barakah from that pious girl. Try yourself, recite salaat al bi'yr and spit in a well, unless you are a wali just like that little girl, water will not rise and overflow. So, taking ijazah is to receive a little of this barakah which we may not notice like an open karamah, but it does work in our life and have some positive effects.

    and Allah Ta'ala knows best.
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  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Is this for any litany? E.g. dalayil al khayrat?
  11. The Hizb for protection act like a bullet proof vest. Hizb may be read for various reasons but the ones for protection still attract the dark side but the damage from these enemies of Allah is not the same or is neutralised (but like a bullet proof vest its still felt). I think this is not the platform for these discussions anyway as its not the Adab. But this is for private with Qualified Shayukh not fake peers either. As said its safer to get Ijaza from a Qualified Shaykh for certain Hizb and certain other reading. Those who don't obtain Ijaza run the risk of being attacked by jinn or going insane etc. if people don't wish to accept this then they just find out the hard way and then only have themselves to blame. HasbunAllahu Wa Nimal Wakeel
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  12. IslamIsTheTruth

    IslamIsTheTruth Active Member

    If hizbs are meant for protection or victory then how can they attract forces from the dark side?
    Wouldn't this be counter productive?
    I'm just interested in how this all works, not looking for confrontation or arguments.
  13. basirqadri786

    basirqadri786 Banned

    all non sense that wirds need ijaza or attracts something from dark side
    no such thing
    all bogus fairy tales concocted stories by false pir and shaykhs running shops

    Quran Kalam Of Allah ultimate wird and very strong and powerful
    yet no one cares about Kalam of Allah but cares about ijazah idhn....
  14. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    can you please give the proper reference, which no. hadith or which chapter; and jalal al-suyuti in which collection.

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  15. The Verses "Ya Ayyuhan Nas" and "Ya Ayyuhaaladhina Amanu" are general Ijaza for all mankind and Muslims. But certain things are not for everyone without having the capacity to deal with their effect, the power they bring or other things. The "Ilme Ladunni" is not entrusted to everyone is it so ask yourself why? The recitation of some Hizb bring about certain things and attract certain things from the dark side and only naive people neglect this and start all kinds of reading until they are either attacked by jinn or go insane. It is well known that certain of the Allah's names are very Jalali and large recitation of them has effects on people that they will not be able to take. Not everyone is running shops brother, but some have experience more so than others.
  16. Abu Darda

    Abu Darda New Member

    It is narrated by Bukhari and Muslim and mentioned by Jalaluddin as-Suyuti, from other collections, that ‘Ali bin Abi Talib (radhiAllah anh) said, “I asked the Prophet (salallahu alaihi wasallam) one time, ‘O Messenger of Allah (salallahu alaihi wasallam), guide me to the shortest way to Allah’s Presence, and the easiest way to worship, and the best way for Allah, Almighty and Exalted. The Prophet (salallahu alaihi wasallam) said, ‘O ‘Ali, you have to be continuously making Dhikrullah, silently and aloud.’ I replied, ‘O Prophet (salallahu alaihi wasallam), all human beings are making dhikr. Give me something special.’ The Prophet (salallahu alaihi wasallam) said, ‘O ‘Ali, the best of what I, and all prophets before me, said is, la ilaha illallah. If all the heavens and earth were placed on one side of the balance and la ilaha illallah were placed in the other, la ilaha illallah would be heavier. Judgment Day will never come as long as there are people on this earth saying la ilaha illallah.‘ Then I said, ‘How should I recite.’ The Prophet (salallahu alaihi wasallam) said, ‘Close your eyes and listen to me reciting la ilaha ill-Allah three times. Then you say it three times and I will listen to you.’ Then the Prophet (salallahu alaihi wasallam) said it and I repeated it in a loud voice.”

    I found this hadith. Can you provide an explanation as to what the purpose was of asking 'how should I recite' and the Prophet alaihissalatu wassalam showing Sayyiduna Ali a specific way to do it? Surely this shows that there are those litanies for which there is general permission and then those same litanies, when given with a special ijaza have a profound effect? Please explain.
  17. Abu Darda

    Abu Darda New Member

    Shaykh Abu Hasan, is it a part of tasawwuf to seek idhn for spiritual adhkar?
  18. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    in his compilation 'mufarrij al-kurub' imam yusuf nab'hani gives general ijazah for anyone to read the azkar; the below scans are extracted from this book.
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  19. basirqadri786

    basirqadri786 Banned

    pirs who run muridi shops say such things, if you can read Quran Kalam Allah without any ijaza then why can't something authored by scholars ?
  20. These require special Ijaza, one who reads any of these Hizbs without Ijaza then he should beware of repurcussions that he may or may not be able to deal with and Allah is Sufficient as a Disposer of our affairs. Children who play with swords get cut.

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