How Ahl al-Sunnah were infiltrated by rifd

Discussion in 'Refutation' started by Aqdas, Jun 28, 2020.

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  1. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    I can definitely see the same approach (after listening to more videos It becomes apparent :

    In response to what Dawate Islami did regarding on the Manaqib around Hz Mu'awiya) and would presume it is the same individual, that is why I listened with a critical approach, but It did not propel me to change my stance on any position that already I was ware of regarding Hazrat Mu'awwiyah and Sayyiduna Ali (raziallahu anhum), but I think anyone who does go into such matters with full dept, granted guidance of Allah be with him, will acknowledge the validity of the point brought about in the discussion from each party , but no conclusion would end in justifying recreational criticism of the Sahaba.
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  2. Truth Seeker.

    Truth Seeker. New Member

    As Salam o Alaikum Brother.

    There was a person named Wajahat Hussain Hanafi who used to be a great admirer of Tahir Ul Qadri (since 2/3 years ago). I think he is the one.
    It will be better if anyone could confirm?
    I don't recognise him by face.

    And there are a few videos in the last regarding Hazrat Muawiya Radhi Allaho Anho. I haven't seen the videos but I fear they might be sharing the same approach and inadequate way of addressing Hazrat Ameer Muawiya Radhi Allaho Anho like Tahir Ul Qadri.

    I haven't seen his fb posts for a long time. He is also one of the few firsts who started following Atabek (Al Hanafi -Al Nasafi). And many of the Indian and Pakistani people started following him. From there many of the laymen like me and others got confused. Their party used to consider India Subcontinent's Hanafi Scholarship just the blind followers who don't know anything about Hanafi principles. Atabek brought the issue of denying of the Black Magic (perhaps he stated it's the only true position), making all the great scholars of Hadees seem to be just the ordinary men who know nothing great about Islam (Theology), they are highly critical of Hadees books and perhaps they consider book Hanfi Principles of Testing/Anaysing the Hadees (I don't remember exact name of the book) by Atabek to be the only great source on analysis of Hadees e Pak. Atabek was the one who falsely claimed that Shifa Shareef contains inappropriate language (Perhaps, Hazrat Abu Hasan refuted that false claim as well), criticised almost all the Barelwi Sunni people. I have seen people like them critising (just like one who criticises Bareilwi work) works like Ja'al Haq (they seem to have thought about it in terms of being za'eef hadees in it). I fear they might not be agreeing with Ala Hazrat's Hussal ul Harmain.
    Ironically that Wajahat Hussian Al Hanfi seem to be apparently a great lover of Ala Hazrat. I remember one of the comments from the posts of their like minded people saying that Ala Hazrat's people/progeny might have hidden the books of Ala Hazrat (perhaps they expect that Ala Hazrat might have written some thing which they may like, like their self claimed rational approach of being Hanafi/Maturidi etc).

    They along with Atabek seem to the only true Maturidi (along with being the only Hanafi) as per their posts.

    Perhaps they believe that even Asharis are not upon the truth. They (followers of Atabek) often say that Asharis took the Mutazili position. That too is refuted by Hazrat Abu Hasan.
    Though I am just a layman and I have just read/learnt a few things through Hazrat Abu Hasan and other lovers of Ala Hazrat through this forum.

    It was Hazrat Abu Hasan (May Allah bless him more and more) who dealt with Atabek in his great knowledgeable and in his irrefutable way. It was he who refuted Atabek and Tahir-ul-Qadri.
  3. FaqirHaider

    FaqirHaider اللَه المقدر والعالم شؤون لا تكثر لهمك ما قدر يكون

    I came across this page by a brother named Wahjat Hussain al Hanafi , who seems to be tackling the Nasibi tendencies and the like in hadith and their Rawees, but it maybe misconstrued to be seen as Tafzili. I personally didn't come across any issues in the videos I have seen so far (3-4 videos) but I can see how Tafzli'is and others can take these contentions and present their opinions with more credibility. But I would like to ask if any learned brother's here know more about the person in question.
  4. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Yes. Don't know if someone has said it but I will: Sayyid Muzaffar Shah Sahib and Sayyid Noorani Miyan son of Sayyid Hashmi Miyan shouldn't appear with Tasleem Sabri or Shabaz Qamar Fareedi.

    If they need to make a public point, do it on another platform. We don't need to appear with sulh kullis and rafidi types.
  5. Yaseen

    Yaseen Active Member

    I've never really watched any of dr jalalis speeches. However following the recent controversy I've watched all his responses and to me he comes across as someone loyal to the principles of ahle sunnat. What's really disappointed is people accommodating the tafzilis/minhajis in refuting dr jalali. People like tasleem sabri who's a big admirer of dr tuq..
  6. YaMustafa

    YaMustafa Well-Known Member

    Wasn't the tafzili belief being preached since the very early 2000s by pir abdul qadir? I know he has always believed in afzaliyyat of Siddiq e Akbar but the tafzili belief has always been a valid sunni position according to him. This you can even find in their fatwa book by their senior mufti who has now passed away. At one point pir abdul qadir was considered the most learned and biggest pir in the UK. Alhamdulillah for figures like Pir Irfan Shah who refuted his misguided positions.

    This belief gained popularity after mamduh's book release and was translated in pakistan. In recent years the belief is now prevalent in jahil 'khanqahs' in india.
  7. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    This is important right now because we see rifd being spread on Sunni stages without anyone battling an eyelid. Pirs, molwis, naat khwans and Facebookers - all pushing rifd under the Sunni banner.

    Awaken, Sunni.
  8. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

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