Irfan Shah | Mawla Ali disobeyed and did khata

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  1. Unbeknown

    Unbeknown Senior Moderator

    Masha Allah

    Bandyalwi sahib's commentary is a missile on today's pseudo-sufi cult-culture.

    If you unravel the entire socio-psychological phenomenon of cultism (which, unfortunately, blankets the world today) - you will find that at the heart of it lies the concept of "infallibility" of the leader and, by extension, of the group as a whole.

    The ismah that was accorded to the ahlussunnah as a body (inthe form of ijmaa'), has been appropriated by or awarded to individuals, who in many cases, are either heretics or outright juhaala.

    nas'alu Allah al-'aafiyah
     
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  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Ata Muhammad Bandyalwi on khata

     
  3. shibly

    shibly New Member

    I think finding fault with our islaf ,particularly sahaba by our ulma is not at all warranted. The ummah is already facing a lot of problems and many are struggling desperately for survival in different parts of the globe. Instead of focussing their attention on the burning problems why the ulma want to create unnecessary controversies which in no way will benefit the Ummah ?
    My advice to them is engage yourselves in doing some concrete social service instead of delivering lectures.
     
  4. shibly

    shibly New Member

     
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  6. Waqar786

    Waqar786 Veteran

    The main issue as it has been for a while now is that too many people involved in scholarly differences are not interested in being objective. They just react to what is happening and jump on bandwagon or they become obstinate to save face. These intra sunni issues exacerbate when pride and cultish behavior override actually tackling the issue.

    After all how difficult it it for the likes of Shah Sahib and Jalali Sahib to sit down and discuss the issue instead of turning it into a sideshow. Now we might be seeing the same between Mufti Wajid and Mufti Aslam. Just sit down and discuss it in a scholarly manner.

    I am sorry but the sidis need to get a grip too. On one hand it's okay to preach adab love and unity when it comes to dealing with deviants but anyone who might have an issue with this approach or contradicts the shaykh then he is fair game to be ostracized, ridiculed and in some cases slandered. The double standards is shocking especially when some of them pride themselves on their ability to unpack logical fallacies.

    Sunnis need to love one another and when one does err then sincerely advise them rather than resorting to expulsion, character assassinations and contrived refutations. The religion is (sincere) advice.
     
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  7. Ghulam Ali

    Ghulam Ali Well-Known Member

    Dual system. It’s ok to say for one but not the other. It’s ok for one to say but not the other?
     
  8. shahnawazgm

    shahnawazgm Veteran

    That was him before he chose rafizis as his companions! The Irfan Shah of today is misguided.
     
  9. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Shah sahib quoted Mawla Ali رضي الله عنه himself that I can do khata!

    Shah sahib then provided proof from Bukhari too that Mawla Ali made a mistake.

    But there is no hukm because saying khata for Mawla Ali isn't blasphemy. So let Jalali off too.
     
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  10. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Nā farmānī
    Khata
    Ghalati
    Nārāzgī

    Thing is, I don't have an issue with the clip. It makes sense to me as I'm not the one who says these words necessarily entail blasphemy.

    Show me where he repudiated the quote of Nahj al-Balaghah? He in fact substantiated it with a reference from Bukhari.

    Wake up. This clip is fine. It carries no hukm. Therefore, neither does Jalali's clip about sayyidah رضي اللہ عنھا. Stop the obstinacy.
     
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  11. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

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