Is this a genuine quote?

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  1. sunnistudent

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  2. Aqdas

    Aqdas Staff Member

    Thanwi married her a year before his death when she was 16, right?
  3. abu Hasan

    abu Hasan Administrator

    imagine if we chopped off quotes like the deos do! the quote above is part-fabrication part-misrepresentation.

    the exact quotes from the wasaya are below.

    K. Don’t give anything of to the rich if you do my fatiHah(1). Give it only to the poor. And that too with esteem, respect and consideration. Do not ill-treat the poor. Nothing should be done in opposition to the sunnah.

    L. If it is possible by my relatives (2), let them send some of these things (to the poor) twice or thrice a week when my fatiHa is done:

    Ice cream, chicken biryaani, gravy with chicken, kabaabs of goat meat, bread, pancakes, (paraatha etc,) feerini, pheris with spice, kachuris with stuffed meat, apple juice, pomegranate juice, soft drinks, ice cream.. (3)

    If possible send one of these once a week, or as you may find it suitable. But remember, it should be by your own wish and convenience.

    Do not deem it to be an obligation just because i have recommended it. (4)


    1)fatiHa: It is gifting the reward to the dead. The Imam is specific that it should be given to the poor as it is a Sadaqah. And he repeatedly emphasizes not to oppose the sunnah.

    2) The imam is not asking anyone to do it forcibly. he is saying that ‘if at all you do, do it this way, if possible’. the 12th point of the waSaaya is transliterated thus :

    “a`izza se agar baTeebe khaaTir mumkin ho to faatiHah meiN hafte meiN do teen baar inn ashyaa se bhi kuch bhej diyaa kareN. duudh kaa barf khaana saaz; agarche bhayNs ke duudh kaa ho. murgh ki biryaani; murgh pulaay; khwaah bakree kaa shaamee kabab; paraaTha aur baalaayi; feereeni; urd ki phareeri; daal ma`a adrak wa lawaazim; gosht bharee kachuriyaaN; seb kaa paani; anaar kaa paani; soDe ki botal; duudh kaa barf;

    agar rozaana ek cheez ho sake yuN karo. yaa jayse munaasib jaanO. magar ba Teebe khaaTir. mere likhne par majbuur na ho.”

    To feed the poor if the Imam is specific, it is an object of concern to the dobbs. But nobody remarks on the fact that when the deobandi elders died they all wished to eat something, mostly cucumber.

    3) These are all indian dishes. I have made an approximate translation and left some untranslated. At this point, in a footnote Shaykh Hasanayn Rida writes: “Imam Rida has asked to give ice cream to the poor. He said 'ice cream' twice. The younger mawlana (probably mawlana muStafa riDa) said that it has already been mentioned. Imam Rida said, 'write it once more'. I hope from my Lord that he will bestow me with coolness. And that is how it happened. During the burial someone brought ice from somewhere though he wasn’t informed of this!”

    4)The imam is expressly writing that it is his wish that the poor be fed well. And only if it is not a problem to his relatives. He makes it clear that he doesn't want to burden them. Compare this with Thanawi's will, where he expressed his wish that his disciples make donations to provide sustenance to his young wife.

    Imam Rida asks his relatives to feed the poor and it is blameworthy; but Thanawi asks others to feed his relatives after his death - indeed great faith does this man have in Allah most high.
  4. Yaseen

    Yaseen Active Member


    I came across the following quote by a Deobandi:
    "If my dear ones can manage-they should perfprm faatiha on me 2 or 3 times a week and they should alsos end me some of the following things: home made mik pudding- preferbly with buffalo milk, chicken (Biryani) chcken Pilau, or mutton pillau-shammi kebab, paratha bread , cream sweet-meats" mustad veg with ginger and such like condiments and seasonings-juicy meat rolls-apple juice - pomegranate juice-soda and iced milk tart" - Wasaya Sharif Page 8 (Maulvi Ahmed Raza Khan)

    Could one of the learned affirm whether this is a genuine quote or a fabrication attributed to Ala Hazrat 'alyhi rahma.


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